Finally figuring out the KY Derby 11

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Only 1 two turn prep for Mo? Hmmm.

You'll inevitably hear a lot about Uncle Mo "not having a classic distance pedigree" ... Indian Charlie still holds the stakes record in the Santa Anita Derby - he was 3rd in the Ky Derby and came out of the race with a career ending injury. Dam sire Arch won the Super Derby at 10fs and is the sire of Blame.

Indian Blessing was a sprinter/miler - but she was out of a very quick Flying Chevron sprinter named Shameful. People assume IC throws sprinters - he doesn't.

I think Uncle Mo actually has an excellent distance pedigree for such an extremely brilliant 2yo - however, Indian Charlie and Arch were both pretty fragile horses who each only made a handful of starts in their career.

In Fact, the last time the Breeders Cup was held at Churchill prior to this year - the two favorites in the Breeders Cup Distaff were Fleet Indian (by Indian Charlie) and Pine Island (by Arch) ... both of them broke down during the running of the race. Pine Island was euthanized from her injury that day - I believe Fleet Indian survived.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You'll inevitably hear a lot about Uncle Mo "not having a classic distance pedigree" ... Indian Charlie still holds the stakes record in the Santa Anita Derby - he was 3rd in the Ky Derby and came out of the race with a career ending injury. Dam sire Arch won the Super Derby at 10fs and is the sire of Blame.

Indian Blessing was a sprinter/miler - but she was out of a very quick Flying Chevron sprinter named Shameful. People assume IC throws sprinters - he doesn't.

I think Uncle Mo actually has an excellent distance pedigree for such an extremely brilliant 2yo - however, Indian Charlie and Arch were both pretty fragile horses who each only made a handful of starts in their career.

In Fact, the last time the Breeders Cup was held at Churchill prior to this year - the two favorites in the Breeders Cup Distaff were Fleet Indian (by Indian Charlie) and Pine Island (by Arch) ... both of them broke down during the running of the race. Pine Island was euthanized from her injury that day - I believe Fleet Indian survived.

Fragile and fast is seemingly how we breed horses in general....Getting 9 panels on SA dirt is hardly the tell on being able to get a distance. Remember, Came Home could get 10 furlongs out west...not so much in the east.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You'll inevitably hear a lot about Uncle Mo "not having a classic distance pedigree" ... Indian Charlie still holds the stakes record in the Santa Anita Derby - he was 3rd in the Ky Derby and came out of the race with a career ending injury. Dam sire Arch won the Super Derby at 10fs and is the sire of Blame.

Indian Blessing was a sprinter/miler - but she was out of a very quick Flying Chevron sprinter named Shameful. People assume IC throws sprinters - he doesn't.

I think Uncle Mo actually has an excellent distance pedigree for such an extremely brilliant 2yo - however, Indian Charlie and Arch were both pretty fragile horses who each only made a handful of starts in their career.

In Fact, the last time the Breeders Cup was held at Churchill prior to this year - the two favorites in the Breeders Cup Distaff were Fleet Indian (by Indian Charlie) and Pine Island (by Arch) ... both of them broke down during the running of the race. Pine Island was euthanized from her injury that day - I believe Fleet Indian survived.

She survived- sold for $3.9 million at KEENOV07 and her first baby sold for over $2 million.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You'll inevitably hear a lot about Uncle Mo "not having a classic distance pedigree" ... Indian Charlie still holds the stakes record in the Santa Anita Derby - he was 3rd in the Ky Derby and came out of the race with a career ending injury. Dam sire Arch won the Super Derby at 10fs and is the sire of Blame.

Indian Blessing was a sprinter/miler - but she was out of a very quick Flying Chevron sprinter named Shameful. People assume IC throws sprinters - he doesn't.

I think Uncle Mo actually has an excellent distance pedigree for such an extremely brilliant 2yo - however, Indian Charlie and Arch were both pretty fragile horses who each only made a handful of starts in their career.

In Fact, the last time the Breeders Cup was held at Churchill prior to this year - the two favorites in the Breeders Cup Distaff were Fleet Indian (by Indian Charlie) and Pine Island (by Arch) ... both of them broke down during the running of the race. Pine Island was euthanized from her injury that day - I believe Fleet Indian survived.

Yeah, the talking heads who think IC throws sprinters are beyond lame.

IC could run all day, as could Arch.

How anyone could watch Mo run and not think he can't get 10f in six months is beyond me. Whether he'll still be in training in six months, that's the pertinent question.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, the talking heads who think IC throws sprinters are beyond lame.

IC could run all day, as could Arch.

How anyone could watch Mo run and not think he can't get 10f in six months is beyond me. Whether he'll still be in training in six months, that's the pertinent question.

I'm very dubious of his longterm potential because of this, and because brilliant, precocious horses never hold on until then. It's not his pedigree that's going to kill him, it's that he'll be used up by then.