Zenyatta

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Please name the 3 that would beat her comfortably going 10f on dirt. Thanks.

Curlin, Invasor, Bernardini.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Curlin, Invasor, Bernardini.

Bernardini was brillant, but he did not show up on BC day. I disagree about Invasor and Curlin.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Bernardini was brillant, but he did not show up on BC day. I disagree about Invasor and Curlin.

90/10

[The Bid]

If you don't like the entire game Cannon why train?

The Pagentry is part of it. That doesn't mean she wasnt a great mare, she was.

[smartbid09]

Zenyatta is one of the greatest of all time. Hands down. The people who needed her to stay perfect to prove that should go curl up in a corner and die. The world needs less idiots. How could you ask anyone to stay perfect in any sport to prove they are great? That's just cruel. It's insulting. 19 in a row wasn't enough. 20 in a row wouldn't have been enough either. It wasn't how many races Zenyatta won. You simply would never have called Zenyatta one of the greatest of all time.

If you think that by Zenyatta losing this race she has now proven herself to be less than one of the greatest of all time you're wrong. Let's put this race in perspective. What was this race to determine? 2010 HOY honors.

This race wasn't a race to prove if Zenyatta was amongst the greatest ever. And stop turning it into that. What did this race prove that we didn't already know? Horses get beat and she was beaten by a horse who loved Churchill Downs and had the exact style of running that put her at a disadvantage. And Zenyatta always starts at a disadvantage to begin with.

To ask Zenyatta to win this race was asking a lot. She was up against it. But She still showed her greatness by coming as close to a win as she possibly could. She technically shouldn't have even come that close. But she is just amazing!

Blame is an excellent horse. He beat Quality Road at his distance and he beat Zenyatta at her distance. But he lost this year too. He couldn't overcome the running style of a horse like Haynesfield on the lose and he went all out trying. The same thing happened to Zenyatta. She couldn't overcome the task at hand. She just couldn't. It was impossible. Don't ask a horse to do the impossible. But you ask them to do the impossible and they lose by inches they truly deserve to be among the greatest ever.

I am taking nothing away from Blame. He's great. It would be easier to ask a horse like Blame to win 19 in a row than to ask a horse with Zenyatta's running style to win 19 in a row. But he couldn't. He can't overcome everything. Neither can Zenyatta. She shouldn't have won this race and she didn't but she almost did.

This race showed so much about Zenyatta in a positive light. I know that Zenyatta can overcome just about anything after watching this race. So for all of you people who made this race into a test of her greatness fine. Do that. But If you needed this race to show you that Zenyatta is amongst the greatest horses of all time I think it did. When horses are at a disadvantage they lose by lengths. Blame did. Zenyatta lost by inches.

[Dahoss]

Oh my god

[slotdirt]

I think I just got dumber reading that.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by smartbid09

Zenyatta is one of the greatest of all time. Hands down. The people who needed her to stay perfect to prove that should go curl up in a corner and die. The world needs less idiots. How could you ask anyone to stay perfect in any sport to prove they are great? That's just cruel. It's insulting. 19 in a row wasn't enough. 20 in a row wouldn't have been enough either. It wasn't how many races Zenyatta won. You simply would never have called Zenyatta one of the greatest of all time.

If you think that by Zenyatta losing this race she has now proven herself to be less than one of the greatest of all time you're wrong. Let's put this race in perspective. What was this race to determine? 2010 HOY honors.

This race wasn't a race to prove if Zenyatta was amongst the greatest ever. And stop turning it into that. What did this race prove that we didn't already know? Horses get beat and she was beaten by a horse who loved Churchill Downs and had the exact style of running that put her at a disadvantage. And Zenyatta always starts at a disadvantage to begin with.

To ask Zenyatta to win this race was asking a lot. She was up against it. But She still showed her greatness by coming as close to a win as she possibly could. She technically shouldn't have even come that close. But she is just amazing!

Blame is an excellent horse. He beat Quality Road at his distance and he beat Zenyatta at her distance. But he lost this year too. He couldn't overcome the running style of a horse like Haynesfield on the lose and he went all out trying. The same thing happened to Zenyatta. She couldn't overcome the task at hand. She just couldn't. It was impossible. Don't ask a horse to do the impossible. But you ask them to do the impossible and they lose by inches they truly deserve to be among the greatest ever.

I am taking nothing away from Blame. He's great. It would be easier to ask a horse like Blame to win 19 in a row than to ask a horse with Zenyatta's running style to win 19 in a row. But he couldn't. He can't overcome everything. Neither can Zenyatta. She shouldn't have won this race and she didn't but she almost did.

This race showed so much about Zenyatta in a positive light. I know that Zenyatta can overcome just about anything after watching this race. So for all of you people who made this race into a test of her greatness fine. Do that. But If you needed this race to show you that Zenyatta is amongst the greatest horses of all time I think it did. When horses are at a disadvantage they lose by lengths. Blame did. Zenyatta lost by inches.

What you've just said, is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

If you don't like the entire game Cannon why train?

The Pagentry is part of it. That doesn't mean she wasnt a great mare, she was.

Pagentry is not part of achievement. You don't hear NFL writers saying that Brady is the MVP because he has a glamouous wife and nice hair and has been a regular on TMZ. In Horse racing suddenly this matters. Al Stall is not particularly quoteworthy, the owner of Blame is a pretty dull guy, the horse is not flashy. But he accomplished far more in winning his races this year and beating Zenyatta then she did. It doesn't take a racing historian to understand that older male grade 1's trump synthetic track, filly races.

My distaste for the dumbing down of the sport doesnt mean that I don't like the sport as a whole. Just the direction that it is heading in. The entire Zenyatta episode is a discredit to the sport as a whole. The sport is a great game that stands on its own merits. It is not a movie and sometimes the fairy tale endings don't come to pass. Doesn't mean that Zenyatta wasn't a great filly. She just doesn't deserve horse of the year this year. She simply didn't do more than Blame did on the track in 2010.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pagentry is not part of achievement. You don't hear NFL writers saying that Brady is the MVP because he has a glamouous wife and nice hair and has been a regular on TMZ. In Horse racing suddenly this matters. Al Stall is not particularly quoteworthy, the owner of Blame is a pretty dull guy, the horse is not flashy. But he accomplished far more in winning his races this year and beating Zenyatta then she did. It doesn't take a racing historian to understand that older male grade 1's trump synthetic track, filly races.

My distaste for the dumbing down of the sport doesnt mean that I don't like the sport as a whole. Just the direction that it is heading in. The entire Zenyatta episode is a discredit to the sport as a whole. The sport is a great game that stands on its own merits. It is not a movie and sometimes the fairy tale endings don't come to pass. Doesn't mean that Zenyatta wasn't a great filly. She just doesn't deserve horse of the year this year. She simply didn't do more than Blame did on the track in 2010.

I think Juan Carlos Guerrero deserves trainer of the year...he's certainly done it on the track. What do you think?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

I think Juan Carlos Guerrero deserves trainer of the year...he's certainly done it on the track. What do you think?

Good one.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

I think Juan Carlos Guerrero deserves trainer of the year...he's certainly done it on the track. What do you think?

Deflecting attention away from Zenyatta's 2010 schedule is a smart play. Again why aren't her fans asking why she was kept in such soft company all year?

JC Guerrero is so good they need to create a total eclipse award for him.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The sport is a great game that stands on its own merits.

If you think about this, the direction the sport is trending this past decade, it is kinda scary is it not?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Bernardini was brillant, but he did not show up on BC day. I disagree about Invasor and Curlin.

He didn't show up? Are you kidding me? But Zenyatta did? There's no way you believe the things you're writing.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He didn't show up? Are you kidding me? But Zenyatta did? There's no way you believe the things you're writing.

You know he is one of my favorite horses ever... I tryed coming back to DT one time as BernardiniGOAT...I was told it would cause an uproar. No excuse letting Invasor run you down.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

You know he is one of my favorite horses ever... I tryed coming back to DT one time as BernardiniGOAT...I was told it would cause an uproar. No excuse letting Invasor run you down.

Why not, what was wrong with Invasor?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Why not, what was wrong with Invasor?

He reminds me a lot of Blame. His nose win over Sun King does not make me think best of the past 5 years.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He reminds me a lot of Blame. His nose win over Sun King does not make me think best of the past 5 years.

but Zenyatta's win over Rinterval does?!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He reminds me a lot of Blame. His nose win over Sun King does not make me think best of the past 5 years.

Yeah, because that's all he did in his career. Invasor is pretty much a different species from Blame. And for all of everyone's excuses about Zenyatta's trip/not handling the track, Bernardini looked like he was spinning his wheels and then got the typical early move ride from Castellano that day.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He reminds me a lot of Blame. His nose win over Sun King does not make me think best of the past 5 years.

I personally liked him and thought he was very good horse. The one race that sticks out to me was the 2007 Donn. I know he beat no one, but the way Garcia steadied and basically stopped him and then have him re-rally on the rail made me believe he was indeed that good.