Zenyatta

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Blame actually may have had an excuse in his last race (the JCGC). He was supposed to fly in on Thursday but there was a problem with the plane and he didn't end up flying in until Friday (the day before the race). There is a reason why horses don't fly in the day before the race. The reason is that they rarely run well when they do. That is why Tex Sutton never schedules flights the day before the race. Nobody wants to come in the day before because horses usually need a day to recover from the trip. Anyway, that might have been the reason that Blame through in the clunker in the Jockey Club Gold Cup.

Uh huh.

And Fly Down?

Blame and Fly Down basically both ran back to their JCGC races .. the loose on the lead winner Haynesfield did not.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by CSC

A very exciting race, Blame looked like he walks to victory but Zenyatta makes a race out of it when she looked like she was totally out of it, she will get more respect out of finishing second than winning the race.

Not that it matters now, but Blame dug-in when he finally heard Zenyatta coming and he ended-up galloping-out past her. And even after the wire Blame still held his lead, which makes you question the "one more jump" or "one more stride."

I will say this... I've seen some pretty exciting races. The electricity at CD today was awesome. The race itself was intense and thrilling. Even though Blame was my top pick all summer for this race, I found myself watching her from start to finish

In terms of drama, that's exactly what needed to happen... Zenyatta trying to catch someone, putting it all on her late kick. Regardless of the result, it was a great race, exciting finish and horse racing got a lot of play today.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Not that it matters now, but Blame dug-in when he finally heard Zenyatta coming and he ended-up galloping-out past her. And even after the wire Blame still held his lead, which makes you question the "one more jump" or "one more stride."

I will say this... I've seen some pretty exciting races. The electricity at CD today was awesome. The race itself was intense and thrilling. Even though Blame was my top pick all summer for this race, I found myself watching her from start to finish

In terms of drama, that's exactly what needed to happen... Zenyatta trying to catch someone, putting it all on her late kick. Regardless of the result, it was a great race, exciting finish and horse racing got a lot of play today.

It was a great race Travis, very exciting from start to finish, I didn't bet a cent on the race and I can't ever remember being so fixated in a race without a monetary interest. I was not even disappointed with the result, strange as that may sound, a lot is made of the unbeaten streak coming to an end, but for me it has always been about how good she was, was she just a one trick pony, that got lucky on synthetics. When she almost lost touch with the field down the backstretch, I must admit I thought maybe my opinion was wrong about her, however to make a race of it and to barely miss a horse that loves CD, I feel she sort of vindicated herself today to her critics, I know where they were coming from and if they still want to doubt her that's okay, nothing anyone can do about it now. So she is 19-1-0 for her 20 races if this is the end. I wonder what Andy Beyer will say later this week. His thoughts should be interesting above all thoughts, he was her biggest critic, wonder if this race will lessen the criticisms.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by CSC

It was a great race Travis, very exciting from start to finish, I didn't bet a cent on the race and I can't ever remember being so fixated in a race without a monetary interest. I was not even disappointed with the result, strange as that may sound, a lot is made of the unbeaten streak coming to an end, but for me it has always been about how good she was, was she just a one trick pony, that got lucky on synthetics. When she almost lost touch with the field down the backstretch, I must admit I thought maybe my opinion was wrong about her, however to make a race of it and to barely miss a horse that loves CD, I feel she sort of vindicated herself today to her critics, I know where they were coming from and if they still want to doubt her that's okay, nothing anyone can do about it now. So she is 19-1-0 for her 20 races if this is the end. I wonder what Andy Beyer will say later this week. His thoughts should be interesting above all thoughts, he was her biggest critic, wonder if this race will lessen the criticisms.

Who really cares what Andy Beyer thinks? I know I dont....

[CSC]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Who really cares what Andy Beyer thinks? I know I dont....

You do Rocky...just admit it.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by CSC

You do Rocky...just admit it.

I think a few of his articles about her have been pretty bad, who am I though?

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by CSC

It was a great race Travis, very exciting from start to finish, I didn't bet a cent on the race and I can't ever remember being so fixated in a race without a monetary interest. I was not even disappointed with the result, strange as that may sound, a lot is made of the unbeaten streak coming to an end, but for me it has always been about how good she was, was she just a one trick pony, that got lucky on synthetics. When she almost lost touch with the field down the backstretch, I must admit I thought maybe my opinion was wrong about her, however to make a race of it and to barely miss a horse that loves CD, I feel she sort of vindicated herself today to her critics, I know where they were coming from and if they still want to doubt her that's okay, nothing anyone can do about it now. So she is 19-1-0 for her 20 races if this is the end. I wonder what Andy Beyer will say later this week. His thoughts should be interesting above all thoughts, he was her biggest critic, wonder if this race will lessen the criticisms.

1/10 that he'll be more than fair. Her performance today puts to rest the "synthetic specialist" theory,at least for me.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by CSC

It was a great race Travis, very exciting from start to finish, I didn't bet a cent on the race and I can't ever remember being so fixated in a race without a monetary interest. I was not even disappointed with the result, strange as that may sound, a lot is made of the unbeaten streak coming to an end, but for me it has always been about how good she was, was she just a one trick pony, that got lucky on synthetics. When she almost lost touch with the field down the backstretch, I must admit I thought maybe my opinion was wrong about her, however to make a race of it and to barely miss a horse that loves CD, I feel she sort of vindicated herself today to her critics, I know where they were coming from and if they still want to doubt her that's okay, nothing anyone can do about it now. So she is 19-1-0 for her 20 races if this is the end. I wonder what Andy Beyer will say later this week. His thoughts should be interesting above all thoughts, he was her biggest critic, wonder if this race will lessen the criticisms.

Beyer is not the kind of guy that will have a problem admitting he made a mistake. He will be a man about it. I guarantee you that he will be very high in his praise of Zenyatta and will admit that he was wrong about her.

[CSC]

I agree with you guys, Beyer has always been a stand up guy, his column will do her justice, let's hope it will.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

I agree with you guys, Beyer has always been a stand up guy, his column will do her justice, let's hope it will.

I'll tell you someone who would NEVER write a nice column about a deep closing odds on favorite who failed to win a collapsing BC Classic race on a day when the BC Juvie winner went just 3 points slower...

Me!

I'm not sure if Beyer has a heart - but I sure don't.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'll tell you someone who would NEVER write a nice column about a deep closing odds on favorite who failed to win a collapsing BC Classic race on a day when the BC Juvie winner went just 3 points slower...

Me!

I'm not sure if Beyer has a heart - but I sure don't.

The final odds on her were ridiculous, the knowledgable horsey players know this, you know this, I know this, most know this. I don't hold this against her. Hey she lost and I can accept it as many of her fans will in time, in my memory I can't ever remember a horse coming this close from that far out of it in the classic. Concern did it but he was in a different zip code where Z closed from, proving it is never easy for a deep closer to win these type of races.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'll tell you someone who would NEVER write a nice column about a deep closing odds on favorite who failed to win a collapsing BC Classic race on a day when the BC Juvie winner went just 3 points slower...

Me!

I'm not sure if Beyer has a heart - but I sure don't.

I think you should quit while you're ahead. You haven't exactly had a good handle on Zenyatta. You thought she was more likely to run in the Distaff. You were totally wrong about that. You thought her barely beating Rinterval was a god indication of her ability. You were totally wrong about that. You totally misinterpreted that race. Then you said that she wouldn't get within 10 lengths in the Classic. You were totally wrong about that. Instead of admitting how wrong you've been, now you want to say that this was a bad race. The problem is that the speed figures that you most rely on totally contradict this. The speed figures say that it was a very good race. So now you want to say that the speed figures are wrong. This has not been one of your better arguments. I think it's time to move on to a new subject. I think it's time to cut your losses on the subject of Zenyatta.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Beyer is not the kind of guy that will have a problem admitting he made a mistake. He will be a man about it. I guarantee you that he will be very high in his praise of Zenyatta and will admit that he was wrong about her.

Beyer made a mistake?

Passive aggressive much?

You made a mistake....not Andy.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Beyer made a mistake?

Passive aggressive much?

You made a mistake....not Andy.

We all made mistakes one way or another... If I recall you tossed her in the top 2 spots, mistake?

[goingtothewhip]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Beyer made a mistake?

Passive aggressive much?

You made a mistake....not Andy.

http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/passive-aggressive

"This Breeders' Cup Classic will be the defining race of her life, and if she wins (or even loses a close one), she can silence all of the skeptics. I doubt that she will." -AB
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...903591_pf.html

He was wrong twice right there.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Beyer made a mistake?

Passive aggressive much?

You made a mistake....not Andy.

He was totally wrong and he will admit he was wrong. He thought she was much better on synthetic and didn't have much chance in this race. He was totally wrong that she didn't have much chance in the race. She lost by half a head and would have won with a better trip. And his own figures will contradict his belief that she's better on a synthetic track since she ran much faster on the dirt (according to his speed figures).

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Not that it matters now, but Blame dug-in when he finally heard Zenyatta coming and he ended-up galloping-out past her. And even after the wire Blame still held his lead, which makes you question the "one more jump" or "one more stride."

I will say this... I've seen some pretty exciting races. The electricity at CD today was awesome. The race itself was intense and thrilling. Even though Blame was my top pick all summer for this race, I found myself watching her from start to finish

In terms of drama, that's exactly what needed to happen... Zenyatta trying to catch someone, putting it all on her late kick. Regardless of the result, it was a great race, exciting finish and horse racing got a lot of play today.

I don't think there wasn't a single person at Churchill yesterday that wasn't screaming for her when she was clear - whether you bet on her or not. Awesome indeed.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Uh huh.

And Fly Down?

Blame and Fly Down basically both ran back to their JCGC races .. the loose on the lead winner Haynesfield did not.

Fly Down ran 10x better today. He never switched leads in the JCGC.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Fly Down ran 10x better today. He never switched leads in the JCGC.

Considering the pace and final time ... he's the horse who I'd be most interested in betting against out of this race.

I bet him in the Travers and still swear he won the photo when he got a similar pace setup.

[The Bid]

Rupert Im talking about todays number 113, not foster