10/9 (KEE): Shadwell, Futurity, First Lady, TCA, Woodford

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Are you sure we're talking about the same horse? She won a group 3 at Longchamp and was beaten 4 by Goldikova at Deauville. She beat males in the Kilroe. I guess we'll see in the Breeders Cup, but I don't think she's anywhere near the horse you are making her out to be.

By no means is she a superstar and they won't be making a plaque for her in Saratoga. I agree, she probably isn't good enough to beat Goldikova or Paco Boy. Who is in this country?

A Group 3? That makes her a legitimate Euro turf horse? She beat Fluke in the Kilroe. Male, female, hermaphrodite, he's just not very good. Ever a Friend was favored in that race FFS. She's beaten nobody this year.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

A Group 3? That makes her a legitimate Euro turf horse? She beat Fluke in the Kilroe. Male, female, hermaphrodite, he's just not very good. Ever a Friend was favored in that race FFS. She's beaten nobody this year.

You said she was an also ran in Europe. She wasn't. Who are the supposed turf monsters here that she hasn't beaten? Again, she isn't the second coming of Miesque, but you're making it seem like she's a claimer. She's not.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You said she was an also ran in Europe. She wasn't. Who are the supposed turf monsters here that she hasn't beaten? Again, she isn't the second coming of Miesque, but you're making it seem like she's a claimer. She's not.

No, all I said is she's beaten nobody and she has no chance in the Mile. She didn't win anything significant in Europe either.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No, all I said is she's beaten nobody and she has no chance in the Mile. She didn't win anything significant in Europe either.

Is this really relevant? While the improved U.S. performances of horses that come over from Europe may be the function of class relief, for several, it is the addition of Lasix or the access to firmer ground than races are typically contested over in Europe. That's why in so many of the fall turf races the European form doesn't translate into equivalent American form, and we see the "other Euros" outperform their odds.