Brother Derek

Originally Posted by pgardn

Looked likes he may be back on track. He ran a very game race with very poor position going into the 1st turn and carried wide. This is a very game animal.

Please, please do not run him in the BC. He is an effort horse. He needs a softer spot or they will kill him. He was very tired after his race against Lava Man. This horse only needs more time and a little confidence. Cant wait to see how he progresses as a 4 year old. I thought he might have been destroyed after that terribly difficult Derby and then a Preakness he had no business running in. I think he can get lots better with time.

Preachinatthebar matched strides with Brother Derek from the far turn to the wire....that doesn't bode well for Brother Derek....I'm not sure if I've seen a horse more overhyped than him in recent memory.....

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Preachinatthebar matched strides with Brother Derek from the far turn to the wire....that doesn't bode well for Brother Derek....I'm not sure if I've seen a horse more overhyped than him in recent memory.....

You have got to be kidding me. The most overhyped horse. A great spring in Cali, two 4th place finishes in two of the best races for 3 year olds. He gets beat by Barbaro and Bernardini after two troubled trips. Comes in 2nd against older horses. And you think he is overhyped?

Originally Posted by eurobounce

You have got to be kidding me. The most overhyped horse. A great spring in Cali, two 4th place finishes in two of the best races for 3 year olds. He gets beat by Barbaro and Bernardini after two troubled trips. Comes in 2nd against older horses. And you think he is overhyped?

Yep, thats what I said....nice recap

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yep, thats what I said....nice recap

sry but have to disagree with you. this horse is not overhyped

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Preachinatthebar matched strides with Brother Derek from the far turn to the wire....that doesn't bode well for Brother Derek....I'm not sure if I've seen a horse more overhyped than him in recent memory.....

Preachinatthebar was not on hold like Brother Derek was. He was allowed to run free. Preach made him go very wide in the 1st turn and fairly wide 2nd. First good race distance race Brother Derek has run in a long time. And he may have matched strides having an easier run, but he also got put away by a horse that will improve, which is the key.

If its west coast, I dont trust your assessment. You have the bias virus.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Preachinatthebar was not on hold like Brother Derek was. He was allowed to run free. Preach made him go very wide in the 1st turn and fairly wide 2nd. First good race distance race Brother Derek has run in a long time. And he may have matched strides having an easier run, but he also got put away by a horse that will improve, which is the key.

If its west coast, I dont trust your assessment. You have the bias virus.

When you can't hit the board in a short field in the LISTED stakes he ran in last month, you aren't a top-class horse IMO...period...he looked like a $10K claimer laboring down the stretch that day...I thought he was going to fall over....

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

When you can't hit the board in a short field in the LISTED stakes he ran in last month, you aren't a top-class horse IMO...period...he looked like a $10K claimer laboring down the stretch that day...I thought he was going to fall over....

yeah cause all horses run well first back after being on the shelf for 4 months.....lol

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

When you can't hit the board in a short field in the LISTED stakes he ran in last month, you aren't a top-class horse IMO...period...he looked like a $10K claimer laboring down the stretch that day...I thought he was going to fall over....

I guess when Congaree came in 4th in the San Diego handicapp then he was overhyped??? Please, these horses arent machines and they are entitled to throw in a bad race from time to time.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

When you can't hit the board in a short field in the LISTED stakes he ran in last month, you aren't a top-class horse IMO...period...he looked like a $10K claimer laboring down the stretch that day...I thought he was going to fall over....

did he run like a 10k claimer sat?

Originally Posted by pgardn

Preachinatthebar was not on hold like Brother Derek was. He was allowed to run free. Preach made him go very wide in the 1st turn and fairly wide 2nd. First good race Brother Derek has run in a long time. And he may have matched strides having an easier run, but he also got put away by a horse that will improve, which is the key.

If its west coast, I dont trust your assessment. You have the bias virus.

I am in Indiana--far from the west coast. But who put Derek away Saturday? Preachin still has good speed for about 1/2 of the race. Derek goes full tilt the entire way and gets beat by the best horse the west coast has to offer. I dont get your point here.

[TitanSooner]

It's free money in the Malibu, San Fernando, and Strub for Brother Derek. Good thing you don't get paid for respect. Ask Doug O'Neill

[pdrift1]

hes coming back off a long layoff you gotta give him a chance

[repent]

Originally Posted by pdrift1

hes coming back off a long layoff you gotta give him a chance

why?
b/c he looked so good getting his as* kicked by another Cal bred that is going to be in the same race?

this is a horse that lost the freaking El Cajon or something stakes.
horses like Bob and John and Da Stoops beat him that race.

there is some precedent for a late developing 3YO Cal bred to win the BCC.
but thats not what this is.
he is a front runner that is successful against bad 3Yo horses when there is no other pace in the race.

I completely hate ppl like Randy Moss who b*tched endlessly about the bad trips he got in the KY Derby and the Preakness.
at some point, you have to stop blaming the circumstances and look at the horse.
I thought horses with speed were supposed to be able to avoid bad trips?
I thought that was the big inherent advatage in American dirt racing that speed gave you?

yet this horse always has an excuse as to why he cant win outside of Santa Anita racecourse.

just like I have asked with the Tin Man.
Please bet him.
bet him with everything you have.
b/c his Breeders Cup experience will be the same as it was last year when he tried the big time at Belmont Park.
NO CHANCE.



Repent

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by repent

why?
b/c he looked so good getting his as* kicked by another Cal bred that is going to be in the same race?

this is a horse that lost the freaking El Cajon or something stakes.
horses like Bob and John and Da Stoops beat him that race.

there is some precedent for a late developing 3YO Cal bred to win the BCC.
but thats not what this is.
he is a front runner that is successful against bad 3Yo horses when there is no other pace in the race.

I completely hate ppl like Randy Moss who b*tched endlessly about the bad trips he got in the KY Derby and the Preakness.
at some point, you have to stop blaming the circumstances and look at the horse.
I thought horses with speed were supposed to be able to avoid bad trips?
I thought that was the big inherent advatage in American dirt racing that speed gave you?

yet this horse always has an excuse as to why he cant win outside of Santa Anita racecourse.

just like I have asked with the Tin Man.
Please bet him.
bet him with everything you have.
b/c his Breeders Cup experience will be the same as it was last year when he tried the big time at Belmont Park.
NO CHANCE.

repent my statement was not alluding to him winning the classic ever, it was that this horse came out of the el cajun horrible and i knew he was better then that race and he proved it with a better run race in the goodwood, and feel he has stakes capabilities out west, thats all

Repent

repent my statement was not alluding to him winning the classic ever, it was that this horse came out of the el cajun horrible and i knew he was better then that race and he proved it with a better run race in the goodwood, and feel he has stakes capabilities out west, thats all. and yes speed should put you up front in most races but not absolute when you brake from the 19 hole for christs sakes along with all the bumping he endured

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

San Fernando and Strub I'll give you, but the Malibu is a tricky race. He is clearly better around two turns, and you usually get some pretty sprinters in the Malibu.

No such thing as free money. You never know what will happen in a race.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Really, I didn't know that. No sh*t no such thing as free money, and I wasn't the one who originally said it. My point is he was clearly the top 3 year old in the west last winter, and with the exception of the horse that beat him at Delmar, whose name escapes me, I haven't seen a 3 year old who will be able to run with him in those races next year. It's not like those races get a lot of horses shipping in.

You thinking of Arson Squad?

[pdrift1]

only 2 horses in the classic division out west better the bd- lava and surf- the rest bd can run away from

Isnt there some high priced horse out there that just broke his maiden like last month? I cant think of the horses name. You also have to remember that BD is going to have to race on a synthetic surface. I wonder if that it going to play into the plans at all. Who knows if they will keep him out west.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

San Fernando and Strub I'll give you, but the Malibu is a tricky race. He is clearly better around two turns, and you usually get some pretty sprinters in the Malibu.

good point.. specialty distance

I think BD needs to shut it down and let him rest and develop or run him in some lesser races to keep him focused.