One of the greatest 11.25 length defeats by a filly in history

[Cannon Shell]

It looked to me like the two jocks thought it was strictly a 2 horse race and rode to simply try to beat the other. I enjoyed seeing it but Shugs horse clunked up to win.

And the idea of a tongue tie is to prevnt the tongue from being pulled back into the throat which can cause interference with the breathing mechanism, hanging out is of no signifigance since they breathe through their nostrils.

[Round Pen]

[quote=Cannon Shell;689701]It looked to me like the two jocks thought it was strictly a 2 horse race and rode to simply try to beat the other. I enjoyed seeing it but Shugs horse clunked up to win.


Absolutely 100% Correct

[Danzig]

[quote=Round Pen;689708]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It looked to me like the two jocks thought it was strictly a 2 horse race and rode to simply try to beat the other. I enjoyed seeing it but Shugs horse clunked up to win.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Absolutely 100% Correct

i thought cannon was correct also. they completely ignored the other horses. it cost both of them.

[cmorioles]

I would say the race wasn't that great. Sure, the pace was on the quick side, but the final time is pathetic. I don't think the pace explains all of it, or the little bit of wide on the first turn. RA and LAT ran better than the Beyer will indicate for sure, but it wasn't that great.

[Smooth Operator]

Yeah, that :47.73 first half was brutal.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Yeah, that :47.73 first half was brutal.

Naked fractions don't mean anything when the speed of the surface isn't accounted for.

Here's a video of Life At Ten and Unrivelled Belle in a Grade 1 route race - going fractions of 45.55 and 1:08.40 set by Life At Ten after she stumbled at the start.

http://www1.drf.com/displayVideo.do?...=D&country=USA

On my figures - Life At Ten went a faster pace today than she did in that race where she set the 1:08.40 after stumbling

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Yeah, that :47.73 first half was brutal.

Says the 18-18 lifetime bettor...

[Travis Stone]

What do all the figure makers think of the track yesterday? How 'slow' was it?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

What do all the figure makers think of the track yesterday? How 'slow' was it?

You only had one two turn route race both Saturday and Sunday - so it's really tough to gauge the routes.

Even with the speed biased track - I was very disapointed with Fly Down's race in the Travers if the pace was as brutally fast as I think it might have been. You just don't know for sure though.

[clyde]

Sometime people will overlook a great race as they get caught up in the "intellectual" aspect.



I think it's always a great race when a 21:1 runs down a big fave.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I would say the race wasn't that great. Sure, the pace was on the quick side, but the final time is pathetic. I don't think the pace explains all of it, or the little bit of wide on the first turn. RA and LAT ran better than the Beyer will indicate for sure, but it wasn't that great.

For a 3rd beaten 11.25 lengths with a Beyer in the 70's - it was a great performance. Great in relation to the running line it yields obviously.

I even liked Miss Singhsix's race - even though she was a mile off of the pace early - and ended up finishing 4th by 16.5 lengths.

Persistantly is a grinder and has been successful as a closing sprinter - Miss Singhsix is a slowpoke who's never even attempted a sprint race in her career - she moved WAY too soon imo. Valdivia should have had her 20+ lengths behind that pace instead of just 15.

Miss Singhsix ended up running her final half mile in 53.83 seconds - after making a huge middle move in tandem with Persist.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

For a 3rd beaten 11.25 lengths with a Beyer in the 70's - it was a great performance. Great in relation to the running line it yields obviously.

I even liked Miss Singhsix's race - even though she was a mile off of the pace early - and ended up finishing 4th by 16.5 lengths.

Persistantly is a grinder and has been successful as a closing sprinter - Miss Singhsix is a slowpoke who's never even attempted a sprint race in her career - she moved WAY too soon imo. Valdivia should have had her 20+ lengths behind that pace instead of just 15.

Miss Singhsix ended up running her final half mile in 53.83 seconds - after making a huge middle move in tandem with Persist.

Doug Im saying this with 100% sincerity, no messing around It is meant to be a serious question. Is this thread you showing your genius, your ability to mess with all of us or are you actually being serious about a 70 something beyer and a double digit length loss?

[prudery]

Dementia praecox ...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Doug Im saying this with 100% sincerity, no messing around It is meant to be a serious question. Is this thread you showing your genius, your ability to mess with all of us or are you actually being serious about a 70 something beyer and a double digit length loss?

It's common sense is all it is.

You beat this game by finding horses who run sneaky good races like Life At Ten ran... but don't quite have the good back form she has - and come back in the right kind of spots.

In terms of my public handicapping, I've had seven winners picked on top in the paper that have paid $40+ to win this meet alone - and I very rarely pick longshots on top.

In Friday's 8th - my best bet of the day paid $63.60 to win - the daily double into him only paid $52. My top pick is profitable for the meet - in print - for the 3rd year in a row. The only year which I didn't show a flat bet profit was the 1st year - only a 25 day meet.

In terms of my betting - if you don't find enough horses who run races like that and come back in the right spots - you'll be needing to find a job.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And the idea of a tongue tie is to prevnt the tongue from being pulled back into the throat which can cause interference with the breathing mechanism, hanging out is of no signifigance since they breathe through their nostrils.

No doubt. However, shouldn't it be tied down sufficiently so that the horse can 'focus' on running, rather than paying with its (significantly extended) tongue, as RA was doing?

[the_fat_man]

Some interesting post race comments:

'Calvin Borel, rider of runner-up Rachel Alexandra (No. 2): “She just got outrun. I had everything my way, and she just got outrun.
“After we put away Life At Ten at the quarter pole, I didn’t feel any acceleration and I got worried. She wasn’t really there. I knew if anyone was running behind us, we were in trouble. If you can’t take the losing with the winning, you can’t be in the game.”

'Shug McGaughey, winning trainer of Persistently (No. 3):“I thought that [Rachel Alexandra] might be a little vulnerable going a mile and a quarter, and I knew we’d run a mile and a quarter. I knew we would run a mile and a quarter. Her female family runs a long way.....We were just lucky enough to pick up the pieces.”

' John Velazquez, jockey aboard third-place finisher Life At Ten (No. 4):
“That was a speed duel. I thought my filly would be on the lead, [Calvin Borel, jockey aboard Rachel Alexandra (No. 2)] would rate in second, but he sent her out and got in the lead and all that did was create more problems for my horse because now she was engaged. But I wasn’t going to take her back; I just left her alone. I wasn’t going to go back either, so I just held my position and left it alone. The half-mile pole came and I thought she was dead and then the three eighths pole came and she was done. Nothing left"

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Some interesting post race comments:

'Calvin Borel, rider of runner-up Rachel Alexandra (No. 2): “She just got outrun. I had everything my way, and she just got outrun.
“After we put away Life At Ten at the quarter pole, I didn’t feel any acceleration and I got worried. She wasn’t really there. I knew if anyone was running behind us, we were in trouble. If you can’t take the losing with the winning, you can’t be in the game.”

'Shug McGaughey, winning trainer of Persistently (No. 3):“I thought that [Rachel Alexandra] might be a little vulnerable going a mile and a quarter, and I knew we’d run a mile and a quarter. I knew we would run a mile and a quarter. Her female family runs a long way.....We were just lucky enough to pick up the pieces.”

' John Velazquez, jockey aboard third-place finisher Life At Ten (No. 4):
“That was a speed duel. I thought my filly would be on the lead, [Calvin Borel, jockey aboard Rachel Alexandra (No. 2)] would rate in second, but he sent her out and got in the lead and all that did was create more problems for my horse because now she was engaged. But I wasn’t going to take her back; I just left her alone. I wasn’t going to go back either, so I just held my position and left it alone. The half-mile pole came and I thought she was dead and then the three eighths pole came and she was done. Nothing left"

Both RA and Life At Ten were dead after a half mile. It's a true testament to Life At Ten that she was able to run her final six furlongs in a sensational 1:18.78 seconds after what happened in the first four furlongs.

Rachel Alexandra got her final six furlongs in an absolutely dazzling 1:16.94 seconds considering the pace.

That's called a speed duel. Borel doesn't want to admit he was involved in one because he doesn't want blame for the result.

Borel rode a perfect race - he tried to discourage Velazquez from commiting suicide by floating him out - but Johnny V. never backed down. If I was Borel I would have said the exact same thing. If you admit you got involved in a duel - you're just giving an owner an excuse to replace you.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

No doubt. However, shouldn't it be tied down sufficiently so that the horse can 'focus' on running, rather than paying with its (significantly extended) tongue, as RA was doing?

You tie it down as deep in the mouth as possible. The part of the tongue that you see isnt signifigant. It is really a non issue.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It looked to me like the two jocks thought it was strictly a 2 horse race and rode to simply try to beat the other. I enjoyed seeing it but Shugs horse clunked up to win.

And the idea of a tongue tie is to prevnt the tongue from being pulled back into the throat which can cause interference with the breathing mechanism, hanging out is of no signifigance since they breathe through their nostrils.

[Smooth Operator]

As we said many months ago … RA is just like her old man … a good 9f runner … but clearly vulnerable at ten.


Gotta luv classic distance races

Almost always expose the PRETENDERS…