Best Maiden Race of the meet so far...

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He's screwed me out of nice scores twice in the past three years by not having his big debut winners ready for stakes. Cribnote going to buy a beer in the grandstand in '08 and It's the Big Cat forgetting how to break from the gate this year. Like you said, he can win first time out and that's about it.

The only winner he has in a graded stake with a 2YO over the last five years is Worstcasescenario's win in the Adirondack last year. He also seems to have really stupid things happen in these races like Cribnote losing his mind, BUlls and BEars getting left, Bail Out the Cat being unprepared for the start, etc.

NT

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The only winner he has in a graded stake with a 2YO over the last five years is Worstcasescenario's win in the Adirondack last year. He also seems to have really stupid things happen in these races like Cribnote losing his mind, BUlls and BEars getting left, Bail Out the Cat being unprepared for the start, etc.

NT

Yeah, Bail Out the Cat, that's the horse. I got him confused with a rat NY-bred turf horse. It's the Big Cat at least could've broken with the field.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The only winner he has in a graded stake with a 2YO over the last five years is Worstcasescenario's win in the Adirondack last year. He also seems to have really stupid things happen in these races like Cribnote losing his mind, BUlls and BEars getting left, Bail Out the Cat being unprepared for the start, etc.

NT

I dont like Rick V bashing, please stop.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The only winner he has in a graded stake with a 2YO over the last five years is Worstcasescenario's win in the Adirondack last year. He also seems to have really stupid things happen in these races like Cribnote losing his mind, BUlls and BEars getting left, Bail Out the Cat being unprepared for the start, etc.

NT

Another brilliant training job by Violette with Bail Out the Cat today, who apparently still doesn't know how to break correctly.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

On top of these numbers:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rick Violette with 2yo's on dirt at Saratoga since '98:

24-for-88 (27.3%) $3.86 ROI

In 2yo dirt races at Saratoga that are 5.5fs or shorter:

15-for-41 (36.6% wins) $4.45 ROI

Here's Violette's stats with 2-year-olds at Belmont's Spring meet:

2010: 3-for-5 ($3.34 ROI)
2009: 3-for-5 ($4.62 ROI)
2008: 1-for-3 ($3.53 ROI)
2007: 2-for-6 ($4.20 ROI)
2006: 0-for-4
2005: 2-for-6 ($4.79 ROI)
2004: 2-for-6 ($4.32 ROI)

Since '04: 13-for-35 (37.1% wins)

He's also got a very good record with older turf horses at Saratoga going back a long way .. and juiced up his numbers some more with a 17/1 shot winner in yesterdays first race.

I wish all trainers were as consistant as he is in regard to the form patterns of their stable.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

On top of these numbers:



Here's Violette's stats with 2-year-olds at Belmont's Spring meet:

2010: 3-for-5 ($3.34 ROI)
2009: 3-for-5 ($4.62 ROI)
2008: 1-for-3 ($3.53 ROI)
2007: 2-for-6 ($4.20 ROI)
2006: 0-for-4
2005: 2-for-6 ($4.79 ROI)
2004: 2-for-6 ($4.32 ROI)

Since '04: 13-for-35 (37.1% wins)

He's also got a very good record with older turf horses at Saratoga going back a long way .. and juiced up his numbers some more with a 17/1 shot winner in yesterdays first race.

I wish all trainers were as consistant as he is in regard to the form patterns of their stable.

Doug, what happens to all of his first out winners though? I know Im getting really frustrated with them.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Doug, what happens to all of his first out winners though? I know Im getting really frustrated with them.

They don't develop much most of the time.

If they did - he'd be a training genius.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They don't develop much most of the time.

If they did - he'd be a training genius.

I really don't understand how Klarman (Klaravich stables) and William Lawrence, who are big-time finance guy who run hedge funds, think their current game plan is effective.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I really don't understand how Klarman (Klaravich stables) and William Lawrence, who are big-time finance guy who run hedge funds, think their current game plan is effective.

If they sold all of these horses after their debut race - it would be a more effective game plan.

Though, after time, it would be harder to sell them I suppose.

Freddy had one who was pretty fast and could carry it well for a total cheapie - and the horse could barely even train. How does something like that develop over time? The longer you wait - the faster the sounder ones catch up. I realize the Violette/Klaravich's cost 15 to 20 times more money, but I doubt things are a lot more rosy for the durability of those horses.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I really don't understand how Klarman (Klaravich stables) and William Lawrence, who are big-time finance guy who run hedge funds, think their current game plan is effective.

It's one of racing's great mysteries. Klarman did begin spreading horses to other barns in the last year or so which seems to indicate his frustration with that long-running game plan which produced Read the Footnotes and little else. Hell, he had as much or more success with Sciacca early on in the game on a tighter budget including with Subordination (Hollywood Derby, Eddie Read, Brooklyn, et al).