Raw Talent...

[Athletics005]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I loved Fu Peg. Big Brown SUCKED.

I don't understand at all your hatred towards Big Brown and love towards borrego. One actually had a decent about of raw talent and it wasn't Borrego.

You have Eskendreya on your list who is by far the most comparable horse to Big Brown. Both with ultra impressive prep races over pathetic competition. Similar beyers, trips, etc/ The only difference is Big Brown actually won the Kentucky Derby in style (4 wide all around). I think your judging BB on what happened after the derby where for whatever reason he wasn't the same horse (but the raw talent was there).

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Athletics005

I don't understand at all your hatred towards Big Brown and love towards borrego. One actually had a decent about of raw talent and it wasn't Borrego.

You have Eskendreya on your list who is by far the most comparable horse to Big Brown. Both with ultra impressive prep races over pathetic competition. Similar beyers, trips, etc/ The only difference is Big Brown actually won the Kentucky Derby in style (4 wide all around). I think your judging BB on what happened after the derby where for whatever reason he wasn't the same horse (but the raw talent was there).

Borrego ran 2 really good races, one giant visually impressive race.
He is not really on my list, but I just mentioned him when someone brought up Bellamy Road.
Eskendereya IMO would have CRUSHED BIG BROWN.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Borrego wasn't that much and certainly not a raw talent.

His big race was an optical illusion aided by a very strong pace. The final half mile was like almost 52 seconds.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Borrego wasn't that much and certainly not a raw talent.

His big race was an optical illusion aided by a very strong pace. The final half mile was like almost 52 seconds.

Ok. I guess the Pacific Classic was nothing...
With the **** we have saw the past few years no less.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Ok. I guess the Pacific Classic was nothing...
With the **** we have saw the past few years no less.

That was another melt down race - they went 22 and change and 45 and change at 10fs and he basically outfinished Perfect Drift and beat PD by like a half.

Borrego was like an older horse version of an Ice Box or Giacomo.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That was another melt down race - they went 22 and change and 45 and change at 10fs and he basically outfinished Perfect Drift and beat PD by like a half.

Borrego was like an older horse version of an Ice Box or Giacomo.

Ok.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Here's a race for you to handicap PG'85. Assume they're all healthy and run to form. Give me your trifecta.

Distance: 9 furlongs
Track: Saratoga
Surface: Dirt
Race Name: The Only Way Zenyatta is Beating Rachel in NY on Dirt Stakes

[Athletics005]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Borrego ran 2 really good races, one giant visually impressive race.
He is not really on my list, but I just mentioned him when someone brought up Bellamy Road.
Eskendereya IMO would have CRUSHED BIG BROWN.

Being the most visually most impressive (in which Borrego would no doubt qualify) doesn't equate to raw talent. I think most would agree the reason it was SO visually impressive in the JCGC was because of the trip he got. That's why no one is awarding a great like sinister minister any raw talent award for his heavily aided blue grass win.


I think Eskendereya was extremely talented, and the 3 year old division still hasn't found anything with half the ability he has, but to say he would have CRUSHED Big Brown is awfully bold considering how similarly their careers began.