Who are the best, as of today?

[the_fat_man]

Hollywood Hit is the FASTEST horse (early, at least) sprinting in North America. He, not Bribon, is the real test for Majesticperfection. It's interesting that in listening to discussions before the Vanderbilt about Smokey Fire, the point of reference seemed to be Fatal Bullet, in almost all cases. FB was in a drive from the gate trying to keep up with HH last time out.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Hollywood Hit is the FASTEST horse (early, at least) sprinting in North America. He, not Bribon, is the real test for Majesticperfection. It's interesting that in listening to discussions before the Vanderbilt about Smokey Fire, the point of reference seemed to be Fatal Bullet, in almost all cases. FB was in a drive from the gate trying to keep up with HH last time out.

Can we get his PP's? Who is the trainer, maybe I can find them on Formulator.

[the_fat_man]

He runs up at WO. Jordan (the JUICER) trains him. Before Jordan got him, he was running on dirt. HH ran 21.91 21.65 for the 1st two splits last out, on the WO tapeta. Those are serious fractions up there. He ran FB into submission and only got run down by Smokey Fire because he didn't change leads in the stretch and was drifting badly, as a result.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

He runs up at WO. Jordan (the JUICER) trains him. Before Jordan got him, he was running on dirt. HH ran 21.91 21.65 for the 1st two splits last out, on the WO tapeta. Those are serious fractions up there. He ran FB into submission and only got run down by Smokey Fire because he didn't change leads in the stretch and was drifting badly, as a result.

His form DRAMATICALLY improved when he was sent to Jordan. His dirt starts were far from anything to be thrilled about, but it's hardly surprising that Jordan moved him up off of CR Trout.

People were bringing up Fatal Bullet with regards to Smokey Fire because he's more of a household name having won stakes races in America. Fact of the matter, as you said, is that Hollywood Hit has absolutely buried him twice this year.

Personally, I think Majesticperfection is better but I'd love to see them lock horns early.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

His form DRAMATICALLY improved when he was sent to Jordan. His dirt starts were far from anything to be thrilled about, but it's hardly surprising that Jordan moved him up off of CR Trout.

People were bringing up Fatal Bullet with regards to Smokey Fire because he's more of a household name having won stakes races in America. Fact of the matter, as you said, is that Hollywood Hit has absolutely buried him twice this year.

Personally, I think Majesticperfection is better but I'd love to see them lock horns early.

NT

Hollywood Hit looked better to me last year, both he and Fatal Bullet look slower. Fatal Bullet hasn't been as fast as his 3 yr old season when he finished 2nd in The BC. I'm not sure what is going on with HH where he normally would have smoked Smokey Fire in that race, except that Jordan looks more mortal this year.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by CSC

Hollywood Hit looked better to me last year, both he and Fatal Bullet look slower. Fatal Bullet hasn't been as fast as his 3 yr old season when he finished 2nd in The BC. I'm not sure what is going on with HH where he normally would have smoked Smokey Fire in that race, except that Jordan looks more mortal this year.

Slower?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by CSC

Hollywood Hit looked better to me last year, both he and Fatal Bullet look slower. Fatal Bullet hasn't been as fast as his 3 yr old season when he finished 2nd in The BC. I'm not sure what is going on with HH where he normally would have smoked Smokey Fire in that race, except that Jordan looks more mortal this year.

Yeah. Jordan was even better than Pletcher last year in that his horses were able to duel and KEEP GOING. This included HH and that nice mare of his Amazon Belle. (She come back even more 'mortal' than HH. )

HH has certainly not been as good this year but he's shown enough to indicate that he's LEGITIMATELY good. He beats SF easily last out if he changes leads. Watch the headon, he's staggering and drifting significantly in the stretch before the jocks finally snatches him and straightens him out a bit late.

Which brings up the question: what good is a jock if he/she can't help the horse a little bit? Is there a jock in the country that can consistently get a tiring horse going lefty to change leads?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Yeah. Jordan was even better than Pletcher last year in that his horses were able to duel and KEEP GOING. This included HH and that nice mare of his Amazon Belle. (She come back even more 'mortal' than HH. )

HH has certainly not been as good this year but he's shown enough to indicate that he's LEGITIMATELY good. He beats SF easily last out if he changes leads. Watch the headon, he's staggering and drifting significantly in the stretch before the jocks finally snatches him and straightens him out a bit late.

Which brings up the question: what good is a jock if he/she can't help the horse a little bit? Is there a jock in the country that can consistently get a tiring horse going lefty to change leads?

You know I watch a fair amount of Woodbine races, and beating Jordan which would have been suicidal last year, this year atleast has been worth trying. I think the positive he had has scared him enough where he is playing it straight enough where you see the difference in the performances of a Hollywood Hit. I do know last year he would have been a handful for any horse in NA at 6 furlongs, Fatal Bullet on the other hand appearing in a route was a red flag to me he is not as fast as he once was, Baker tried unsuccessfully to stretch him out, now he is back to sprinting. I think we've seen the best of him and he doesn't look to be recovering his 3 yr old form. Jimmy Mac has never been one of my favorite jocks, his stats this year have dropped, he just happened to hook up with the right trainer's last yr.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

He runs up at WO. Jordan (the JUICER) trains him. Before Jordan got him, he was running on dirt. HH ran 21.91 21.65 for the 1st two splits last out, on the WO tapeta. Those are serious fractions up there. He ran FB into submission and only got run down by Smokey Fire because he didn't change leads in the stretch and was drifting badly, as a result.

When does Jordan, or when recently has he ran a horse, so I can find the pp's.

[randallscott35]

I think HH has some physical issues. I would not expect him in the Sprint. He can run a few times a year tops and on syn seems to be his game and even then it is difficult to keep him sound.

[the_fat_man]

Alwaysadream
8/06, WO, R8

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Alwaysadream
8/06, WO, R8

Thanks.