Zenyatta to the Beldame after Saturday

[slotdirt]

I'm not sure you're understanding me, young RHT. They don't run on dirt in California. Why would a dirt horse ship to run on something other than dirt?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm not sure you're understanding me, young RHT. They don't run on dirt in California. Why would a dirt horse ship to run on something other than dirt?

Seeing how Jackson has mapped out her campaign in 2010, do you honestly believe he would ship her out to The Clement Hirsch to face Zenyatta if Delmar was a dirt track? I'm certainly not that gullable.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by CSC

Seeing how Jackson has mapped out her campaign in 2010, do you honestly believe he would ship her out to The Clement Hirsch to face Zenyatta if Delmar was a dirt track? I'm certainly not that gullable.

If California had dirt tracks, I'm 99 percent positive we would have already seen a Zenyatta-Rachel Alexandra matchup and nobody would have watched because both Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta would have lost at some point already.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

If California had dirt tracks, I'm 99 percent positive we would have already seen a Zenyatta-Rachel Alexandra matchup and nobody would have watched because both Rachel Alexandra and Zenyatta would have lost at some point already.

I can't be 99% sure as you are, though I will say is it more likely. But not a chance Jackson would be in So Cal to face Zenyatta in the Clement Hirsch if that race was on dirt, that I am 99.99% sure.

[Danzig]

had cali not mandated all the awt's, and the bc been held on dirt last fall, there's no doubt in my mind rachel would have run a different campaign, and been at the bc.

perhaps people aren't happy with the zenyatta camp because they said they were going to travel with her this year, and let her fans see her.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

had cali not mandated all the awt's, and the bc been held on dirt last fall, there's no doubt in my mind rachel would have run a different campaign, and been at the bc.

perhaps people aren't happy with the zenyatta camp because they said they were going to travel with her this year, and let her fans see her.

oh, there's no doubt in your mind? So you are Jesse Jackson? Maybe Steve Assmussan? No? An assistant to ....? No. Oh, you work at the track where she was stabled and saw her and talked to the connections? No. Hummmm.

There is no doubt in my mind that unless you qualify for any of the above categories, I have no doubt in MY mind that YOU don't know what you are talking about.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

oh, there's no doubt in your mind? So you are Jesse Jackson? Maybe Steve Assmussan? No? An assistant to ....? No. Oh, you work at the track where she was stabled and saw her and talked to the connections? No. Hummmm.

There is no doubt in my mind that unless you qualify for any of the above categories, I have no doubt in MY mind that YOU don't know what you are talking about.

Well perhaps you can get Jess Jackson, Steve Asmussen, or Scott Blasi to come and weigh in here. If not, don't get bent out of shape when someone offers their opinion on a message board.

NT

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

oh, there's no doubt in your mind? So you are Jesse Jackson? Maybe Steve Assmussan? No? An assistant to ....? No. Oh, you work at the track where she was stabled and saw her and talked to the connections? No. Hummmm.

There is no doubt in my mind that unless you qualify for any of the above categories, I have no doubt in MY mind that YOU don't know what you are talking about.

good lord. i didn't realize i could engender such venom by saying had the bc been on dirt that rachel would have pointed in that direction. they certainly didn't hesitate to run in other top dirt races, which is why i said she'd have been there had the surface been a dirt one. so sorry i ruffled your feathers by posting my thoughts. i guess i need to find a message board more conducive to actually posting messages? or maybe you could just use the ignore feature, so as not to be bothered by my incoherent ramblings...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

oh, there's no doubt in your mind? So you are Jesse Jackson? Maybe Steve Assmussan? No? An assistant to ....? No. Oh, you work at the track where she was stabled and saw her and talked to the connections? No. Hummmm.

There is no doubt in my mind that unless you qualify for any of the above categories, I have no doubt in MY mind that YOU don't know what you are talking about.

LOL considering the source of the quote!!!

so comedy.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by CSC

Seeing how Jackson has mapped out her campaign in 2010, do you honestly believe he would ship her out to The Clement Hirsch to face Zenyatta if Delmar was a dirt track? I'm certainly not that gullable.

I don't know if it's fair to say that. Agreed that JJ will not win any popularity contests in the near future. But how do you know that any California races wouldn't be on their map if in fact they ran on dirt out there? California isn't in play for them so they scheduled, not well but accordingly. Who knows, maybe the BC would have been in play last year instead of the Woodward. It's not a surface they want to run her on, so they can't be blamed for not racing there.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I don't know if it's fair to say that. Agreed that JJ will not win any popularity contests in the near future. But how do you know that any California races wouldn't be on their map if in fact they ran on dirt out there? California isn't in play for them so they scheduled, not well but accordingly. Who knows, maybe the BC would have been in play last year instead of the Woodward. It's not a surface they want to run her on, so they can't be blamed for not racing there.

Fair points. Mine is just my opinion alone, I think he has shown himself to be less than sporting than what was once believed.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm not sure you're understanding me, young RHT. They don't run on dirt in California. Why would a dirt horse ship to run on something other than dirt?

So why is this acceptable? Synthetics are a part of the game, they run over synthetics at Keeneland, one could argue the best other then Toga.
Is it because people cant except change, or is it because Beyer people cant make figures the right way for synthetic races?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Is it because people cant except change, or is it because Beyer people cant make figures the right way for synthetic races?

Oh boy.

[slotdirt]

You know what I think is sad? That Rachel Alexandra, faults and all, has run at one fewer track this season (three) than Zenyatta has (four) in her entire career. How many top notch horses run 17 races and only manage to visit four different locales? Southern Image ran in as many places and that dang horse only started like eight times.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Oh boy.

This is not as far fetched as you may believe, there is a anti synth bias that exists, you know this. We know Beyer has struggled with synth figs where he had to go into a long explanation of adjusting them last year.

[slotdirt]

Dang right there's an anti-synth bias. I hate the crap. I hate watching races on it. I hate how it freezes in the winter and melts in the summer. This is freaking America. We run on dirt and when that doesn't work, we run on grass, and when that doesn't work, maybe try jumping over a couple of fences. But ground up sneakers and tires? That's just un-American.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by CSC

We know Beyer has struggled with synth figs where he had to go into a long explanation of adjusting them last year.

Not sure its Beyers fault.

What is he to do, use a projection system for every race? The surface does not yield times traditional to a parallel chart like dirt. Its very much like turf where his figures hold about the same water.

The bottom line is in general the very best grade 1 horses in Ca can compete with the best grade 1 horses in NY or Ky, just dont use the figures.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by CSC

This is not as far fetched as you may believe, there is a anti synth bias that exists, you know this. We know Beyer has struggled with synth figs where he had to go into a long explanation of adjusting them last year.

It's really far fetched and based on nothing.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

It's really far fetched and based on nothing.

Slotdirt just admitted he hates synth, but let's ignore that.

[slotdirt]

I think synthetics, on the whole, have not been good for racing in this country. I don't think I'm alone in that opinion.