Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers

[the_fat_man]

You know I respect you as a figure maker. Sooner or later, you'll stop being defensive and try to address some of the issues I raise.

Specifically, in this case:

1) you're on record that POLY races are tightly paced typically at the end because of the slow paces -- caused by jocks that intentionally slow them down; this makes sense

2) you're also on record that wide trips aren't as relevant in SLOW PACED races; this also makes sense


I'm simply asking, given the above, with full awareness that dirt and poly don't play the same, WHY the rest of the field quit as bad as it did in the Curlin, and HOW your figures 'explain' this. Merely telling me that the PACE is slow allows me to draw the conclusion that these horses QUIT because they BID into a 25.27 SPLIT. But a slow pace isn't supposed to do that in reasonably evenly matched fields. So maybe, just maybe, it was a result of WHEN and HOW MANY moves were made rather than how fast or slow the pace was. Just maybe. Cause, the Wood and the Curlin are both WIPEOUTS but they're not really the same 'type' of race in terms of dynamics.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You know I respect you as a figure maker. Sooner or later, you'll stop being defensive and try to address some of the issues I raise.

Specifically, in this case:

1) you're on record that POLY races are tightly paced typically at the end because of the slow paces -- caused by jocks that intentionally slow them down; this makes sense

2) you're also on record that wide trips aren't as relevant in SLOW PACED races; this also makes sense


I'm simply asking, given the above, with full awareness that dirt and poly don't play the same, WHY the rest of the field quit as bad as it did in the Curlin, and HOW your figures 'explain' this. Merely telling me that the PACE is slow allows me to draw the conclusion that these horses QUIT because they BID into a 25.27 SPLIT. But a slow pace isn't supposed to do that in reasonably evenly matched fields. So maybe, just maybe, it was a result of WHEN and HOW MANY moves were made rather than how fast or slow the pace was. Just maybe. Cause, the Wood and the Curlin are both WIPEOUTS but they're not really the same 'type' of race in terms of dynamics.

Unless time is taken at points of call about every 20 yards, figures will never explain everything. I'm sure you know that. However, without figures, the moves alone without context don't tell much either.