8/1 (MTH): Haskell (G1), Oceanport & Matchmaker (G3's)

[cakes44]

Garcia has yet to ride him on synthetic. Those trips he gave him would be 0 for 2 on the stuff Gomez had to ride him on. And I don't care about the KD because Jesus would have lost from the 1-hole there, assuming he could ride horses like he rationed bread.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Garcia has yet to ride him on synthetic. Those trips he gave him would be 0 for 2 on the stuff Gomez had to ride him on. And I don't care about the KD because Jesus would have lost from the 1-hole there, assuming he could ride horses like he rationed bread.

Exactly, Garcia has done nothing for this horse that anyone else wouldn't, and a lot wouldn't have been as wide and premature. Garcia is an average jock, nothing more, nothing less.

[Travis Stone]

I think it's rare where a jockey really moves a horse up... certain horses sure, but for the most part, no shot. I don't think it's rare, however, for jockeys to move horses down. Lookin at Lucky was lengths the best on Sunday... he wins with a lot of different riders on him, but take nothing away from Garcia, because one thing he didn't do was screw-up.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I think it's rare where a jockey really moves a horse up...

Back when Cordero, Pincay, Antley, etc, were riding, I had many things to say during one of their races. 'PUT HIM IN A ****IN' DRIVE', was never one of them. Funny how this pretty much is the only thing I have to say while watching races these days. And, it doesn't really matter whether they're at major or minor venues, as the top jocks (with very, very few exceptions) don't finish any better than the poor ones. It is what it is.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Garcia has yet to ride him on synthetic. Those trips he gave him would be 0 for 2 on the stuff Gomez had to ride him on. And I don't care about the KD because Jesus would have lost from the 1-hole there, assuming he could ride horses like he rationed bread.

Why are you assuming he would ride a horse the same way on dirt as he would on synth? He's not Robbie Albarado, someone should have told him BC 2008 was on pro ride and not on dirt or atleast he should have noticed it was.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by CSC

Why are you assuming he would ride a horse the same way on dirt as he would on synth? He's not Robbie Albarado, someone should have told him BC 2008 was on pro ride and not on dirt or atleast he should have noticed it was.

Must've been the same person who also forgot to tell ASSman and Jackson.

But, Albarado is clearly CHALLENGED. Would telling him have helped?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Must've been the same person who also forgot to tell ASSman and Jackson.

But, Albarado is clearly CHALLENGED. Would telling him have helped?

It was a good ride if the race was on dirt.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

Why are you assuming he would ride a horse the same way on dirt as he would on synth?

Because he does. Go watch the brilliant ride he put on St. Trinians again. After breaking into the gate and stumbling - he takes her widest on both turns despite starting from post 2.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Because he does. Go watch the brilliant ride he put on St. Trinians again. After breaking into the gate and stumbling - he takes her widest on both turns despite starting from post 2.

I'm sure that cost her the race. Zenyatta goes into the 3 path around the turn, one less than St. Trinians, however I guess following a 60-1 Will O Way is preferable.

Edit I take that back Zenyatta took the exact path ST did around the 1st turn, if anyone wants to be anal about it, she steps in ST's hooveprints around the 1st turn. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-fJpTGaPH8

Watch for yourselves, no disputing the tape.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Because he does. Go watch the brilliant ride he put on St. Trinians again. After breaking into the gate and stumbling - he takes her widest on both turns despite starting from post 2.

On my drive home, I really tried to understand what was so bad about Garcia's ride. Okay I'll play along, if he goes to the rail saves abit of ground around the 1st turn, she then follows Will O Way, Zardana around the track, waits for a split that may or may not occur or worst gets stopped following inferior horses...How is she going to outrun Zenyatta the last 1/8th of a mile if that magical split happens if she loses her tactical advantage? I know you referenced Awesome Gem's trip but that was against Rail Trip, not a horse that has yet to be beaten in the final 1/4 mile run of a race. Help me understand this instance of yours that Garcia's ride was dirt awful that it may have cost St. Trinians the race.

[cakes44]

Why do I get the feeling you'd defend the ride on St. Trinians ahead of some others?

[CSC]

Why can't we have a rational discussion without what I think you are inferring? The ride did not cost ST the race, that is what I, maybe we are discussing. Whether it did or not.

[Indian Charlie]

Zenyatta.