The Travers

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by philcski

No, my critical ranking was not based solely on the Beyer numbers assigned. Let's look at this critically- of the 3yo restricted races, the Haskell would rank 4th behind the Derby, Preakness, and Travers for races "I want to win" (given that the Belmont has become somewhat irrelevant in a non-TC year). It's a serious and important race in the landscape of 3yo racing and a race I happen to love. They draw really good/great fields and important horses, benchmark types. I looked at each of the horses and said "do I want them or LaL in a matchup?"

Rachel Alexandra- RA
Big Brown- BB
Any Given Saturday- AGS
Bluegrass Cat- BC
Roman Ruler- tossup LAL
Lion Heart- LH
Peace Rules- PR
War Emblem- WE Tossup
Point Given- PG
Dixie Union- DU LAL
Menifee- Menifee LAL
Coronado's Quest- CQ
Touch Gold- TG
Skip Away- SA
Serena's Song- SS
Holy Bull- HB
Kissin Kris- KK LAL
Technology- tossup LAL
Lost Mountain- tossup LAL
Restless Con- LaL
King Glorious- KG
Forty Niner- FN
Bet Twice- BT

So I came up with 3 tossups, 1 yes, and 19 no's. I'd like to know where you disagree with my assessment (if any.) It's an interesting comparison if nothing else.

Up to and including the Haskell the ones in bold would differ from your list.

I stopped reading after the first 20 posts.

Dude.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

Up to and including the Haskell the ones in bold would differ from your list.

Better than Menifee and Dixie Union? You must be a huge fan of horses who consistantly beat absolutely garbage fields in time no faster than freaking Omniescent.

War Emblem never finished 2nd or 3rd - he'd stop on a dime or run a hole in the wind .. the kind of horse you always play against underneath in exotics if you don't like him .. but he'd breeze in-hand against LAL.

Menifee was just plain better than LAL. He actually faced real horses and ran several better races.

Dixie Union would beat the ever loving piss out of LAL. Dixie Union was an awesome horse who would be hailed as a super horse in this crop. He beat both Caller One and Swept Overboard twice sprinting. When he won the Haskell - the very good Captain Steve was 2nd, future two-time Santa Anita Handicap winner Milwaukee Brew was 3rd and More Than Ready was 4th. The start before the Haskell he was beaten just a neck by Tiznow and had to give Tiznow 11lbs. He had a 112 Beyer sprinting and a 111 Beyer at 9fs and he faced absolutely amazing competition.

Roman Ruler was nothing special - and I rated him a toss-up with LAL - but he was a very good 2yo sprinter and he beat an ok horse in Flower Alley in the Dwyer and was a good 2nd to the older Rock Hard Ten in the final start of his career.

Here's who finished 2nd to LAL in his Grade 1 wins. Make Music For Me (1-for-10 lifetime), Pulsion (1-for-9 lifetime - most recently 5th in an N1X) Noble's Promise (winless in his last 6 starts) First Dude (1-for-9 lifetime) and Trappe Shot (tough trip horse finally making his graded stakes debut)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

* LAL



* MENIFEE



* WAR EMBLEM



* ROMAN RULER

[RockHardTen1985]

So its all about beyers right? L@L was won 5 G1's second by a head in another and won 2 G2's. Champion 2yr old, but these other horses are faster and better, because the beyers are higher? THanks for clearing it up DOug.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

So its all about beyers right? L@L was won 5 G1's second by a head in another and won 2 G2's. Champion 2yr old, but these other horses are faster and better, because the beyers are higher? THanks for clearing it up DOug.

By your logic, Lookin at Lucky blows Quality Road off the track. It's all about Grade I's and Eclipses, right?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

So its all about beyers right? L@L was won 5 G1's second by a head in another and won 2 G2's. Champion 2yr old, but these other horses are faster and better, because the beyers are higher? THanks for clearing it up DOug.

You're so clueless and incompetent it's amusing.

How do you think Dixie Union would do against Make Music For Me, Pulsion, Trappe Shot, Noble's Promise, and First Dude?

He might do to those horses what Rachel Alexandra did to Malibu Prayer and Gabby's Golden Girl last year ... the only difference is that the horses LAL grinds down in his big wins have absolutely no Graded Stakes luck - and horses like Malibu Prayer, Gabby's Golden Girl, and Flashing are all Gr 1 winners.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You're so clueless and incompetent it's amusing.

How do you think Dixie Union would do against Make Music For Me, Pulsion, Trappe Shot, Noble's Promise, and First Dude?

He might do to those horses what Rachel Alexandra did to Malibu Prayer and Gabby's Golden Girl last year ... the only difference is that the horses LAL grinds down in his big wins have absolutely no Graded Stakes luck - and horses like Malibu Prayer, Gabby's Golden Girl, and Flashing are all Gr 1 winners.

Its not that simple.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Its not that simple.

Yeah .. Lookin At Lucky is a 2yo champion after all!!

Look for the first two horses who finished 2nd to him in his Grade 1 wins to appear for a 20K claiming tag sometime in the future.

There would be multiple orgasms going on in this thread if LAL equaled Menifee's Haskell.

[rpncaine]

F***in' Awesome Avatar!

It is.

If Philadelphia Park had any sense they would fly him up there for Pennsylvania Derby day.

It already has over 3.5 million views on Youtube.

[AlreadyHome]

The horses who ran behind Lookin at Lucky yesterday all sucked - that was obvious going into the race.

Trappe Shot at least had some upside - but he was making his graded stakes debut, had a single route win at the expense of 3 horses, and had a miserable trip yesterday.

HAHAHAHAAHAH Trappe Shot is awesome,,Not taking anyway from LAL but if TS
would of been running outside where LAL was he would of gave him a run for the win...,,
if you saw the Race or see the replay Trappe Shot was blocked in a wall of Horses while picking up speed an an had to slow down....