The Travers

MaTH716 · #1 08-01-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Lookin at Lucky cant lose.

Today I saw a horse more up early in hand, and just crush what was supposed to be a great group, with a wide premature move. Could Garcia have been sitting on any more horse??
I dont give a **** what the beyer comes back, they are subjective pieces of crap that get changed at the drop of a hat. I hope it comes back a 99, because visually that was far and away the best performance by a 3yr old this year, other then Eskendereya. L@L has improved so much, and will only be better in the Travers. 5 star lock of the century.
Baffert is a rockstar, best trainer in the world and the game is better when he has the big horse.... He told me on FB a week ago Trappe Shot was nothing to him, he was winning this race, lol WHAT A LEGEND.

Really Joseph? Great? Maybe a bunch of decent horses that all have run a few big races here and that turned it into a deep race. But I wouldn't exactly call that a group great.

RockHardTen1985 · #2 08-01-2010, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Really Joseph? Great? Maybe a bunch of decent horses that all have run a few big races here and that turned it into a deep race. But I wouldn't exactly call that a group great.

I said supposed to be.... I said Super Saver and Ice Box were IMPOSSIBLE. I did not think it was that great, but I though Trappe Shot was his main competition and he blew that one away. I dont see how Trappe Shot can ever make this difference up, L@L will only get better. He is not done improving and getting better, I truly believe that. When this year is over, we are going to go from thinking this crop sucked and maybe it does as a group, but he will stand out as a REALLY REALLY GOOD HORSE.

The Indomitable DrugS · #3 08-01-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Today I saw a horse more up early in hand, and just crush what was supposed to be a great group,

Great group? As Coach Pants so eloquently stated before the race ... "all of these horses suck"

RockHardTen1985 · #4 08-01-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Great group? As Coach Pants so eloquently stated before the race ... "all of these horses suck"

Ok.... Derby and Preakness 1-2 in the race, Trappe Shot... Um How many DT members were crazy about him? Large win bet over 3-1, top beyer, thats what we have been hearing in the other thread. He ROLLED HOME TODAY.

The Indomitable DrugS · #5 08-01-2010, 10:47 PM

Trappe Shot was 5/2 in the betting today - in what was his Graded Stakes debut. What does that tell you about how great this field was?

He was coming off of a 2.5 length win over Nacho Friend in a race where he faced only 3 opponents.

Nacho Friend is 0-for-6 lifetime in stakes races .. he failed to even win or finish 2nd in his first five attempts - losing to such fine winners as Backtalk, Awesome Act, Endorsement, Ibboyee, and Afleet Express.

randallscott35 · #6 08-01-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Trappe Shot was 5/2 in the betting today - in what was his Graded Stakes debut. What does that tell you about how great this field was?

He was coming off of a 2.5 length win over Nacho Friend in a race where he faced only 3 opponents.

Nacho Friend is 0-for-6 lifetime in stakes races .. he failed to even win or finish 2nd in his first five attempts - losing to such fine winners as Backtalk, Awesome Act, Endorsement, Ibboyee, and Afleet Express.

And Nacho Friend got a better fig last out

AeWingnut · #7 08-02-2010, 05:58 PM

why is anyone excited about a 3-5 shot winning a race?

MaTH716 · #8 08-01-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I said supposed to be.... I said Super Saver and Ice Box were IMPOSSIBLE. I did not think it was that great, but I though Trappe Shot was his main competition and he blew that one away. I dont see how Trappe Shot can ever make this difference up, L@L will only get better. He is not done improving and getting better, I truly believe that. When this year is over, we are going to go from thinking this crop sucked and maybe it does as a group, but he will stand out as a REALLY REALLY GOOD HORSE.

He probably will stand out as a very good horse in an extremely brutal crop.

I also thought that Trapp Shot ran a pretty good race despite Garcia giving him a tour of the entire Monmouth main track. Probably didn't matter anyway as LAL was much the best.

RockHardTen1985 · #9 08-01-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

He probably will stand out as a very good horse in an extremely brutal crop.

I also thought that Trapp Shot ran a pretty good race despite Garcia giving him a tour of the entire Monmouth main track. Probably didn't matter anyway as LAL was much the best.

Well QR is not going to the JCGC.... Z wont ship, L@L would destroy Rachel at 10f.... Im guessing by then Bob has him PEAKING. What happens when he wins the Travers-JCGC, is he then a pos?

philcski · #10 08-01-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Really Joseph? Great? Maybe a bunch of decent horses that all have run a few big races here and that turned it into a deep race. But I wouldn't exactly call that a group great.

text to my business partner after the race:

"LaL is a piece of crap, what does it say about the rest of them"

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Ok.... Derby and Preakness 1-2 in the race, Trappe Shot... Um How many DT members were crazy about him? Large win bet over 3-1, top beyer, thats what we have been hearing in the other thread. He ROLLED HOME TODAY.

It couldn't have been any better- Monmouth got the best 3yo's out there. That's the problem. They are all terrible. That was a dreadful race.

RockHardTen1985 · #11 08-01-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

text to my business partner after the race:

"LaL is a piece of crap, what does it say about the rest of them"

Phil he is not a piece of crap. He is very very good.

philcski · #12 08-01-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Phil he is not a piece of crap. He is very very good.

No he isn't. He's mediocre at best. G3 winner in most years- he just happened to be in the right year. Hell, he isn't even in Pegram's own top 3.

randallscott35 · #13 08-01-2010, 10:39 PM

Time for another vacation.

RockHardTen1985 · #14 08-01-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

text to my business partner after the race:

"LaL is a piece of crap, what does it say about the rest of them"

It couldn't have been any better- Monmouth got the best 3yo's out there. That's the problem. They are all terrible. That was a dreadful race.

Phil I love you, but I totally disagree with you here.
In 2 months we will be talking about 2yr old champion, Haskell, Travers, big prep and BC winner or runner up to QR. He is far from a POS.

MaTH716 · #15 08-01-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Phil I love you, but I totally disagree with you here.
In 2 months we will be talking about 2yr old champion, Haskell, Travers, big prep and BC winner or runner up to QR. He is far from a POS.

Does that mean he's going to beat Zenyatta?

Arletta · #16 08-01-2010, 10:46 PM

An excerpt from an article in the BloodHorse

"A year after Rachel Alexandra completed the Preakness/Haskell double en route to Horse of the Year honors, Lookin At Lucky has accomplished the same feat -- against a Haskell field many consider the deepest in the race's 43-year history."

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ookin-at-lucky

The Indomitable DrugS · #17 08-01-2010, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Arletta

against a Haskell field many consider the deepest in the race's 43-year history.[/i]"

Yes - many people without even basic handicapping skills.

Just because people have watched horse racing and have been in the industry for a long, long time ... doesn't mean they have even the slightest idea what they're talking about when it comes to making competent judgments that involve a morsel of handicapping skill.

Danzig · #18 08-01-2010, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Arletta

An excerpt from an article in the BloodHorse

"A year after Rachel Alexandra completed the Preakness/Haskell double en route to Horse of the Year honors, Lookin At Lucky has accomplished the same feat -- against a Haskell field many consider the deepest in the race's 43-year history."

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ookin-at-lucky

deep and good aren't necessarily the same thing. you had classic win/place horses in there, that's where they got the deep from. and yes, it's true, the race today drew a lot of the better horses this year compared to past haskells. doesn't mean it's a better crop tho. lookin at lucky won-someone had to. doesn't mean he's very, very good. or even very good. slow time, yet another slow time to add to all the other slow times this year.

RockHardTen1985 · #19 08-01-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Does that mean he's going to beat Zenyatta?

He could. He needs to improve, but he could

philcski · #20 08-01-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Phil I love you, but I totally disagree with you here.
In 2 months we will be talking about 2yr old champion, Haskell, Travers, big prep and BC winner or runner up to QR. He is far from a POS.

Here are the winners of the Haskell the last 20 or so years and you tell me where you would rank him amongst them.
Lookin At Lucky
Rachel Alexandra
Big Brown
Any Given Saturday
Bluegrass Cat
Roman Ruler
Lion Heart
Peace Rules
War Emblem
Point Given
Dixie Union
Menifee
Coronado's Quest
Touch Gold
Skip Away
Serena's Song
Holy Bull
Kissin Kris
Technology
Lost Mountain
Restless Con
King Glorious
Forty Niner
Bet Twice

One word answer.
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