Steve Davidowitz new site

[the_fat_man]

I think it's sad. Dude's around all these years and he still, apparently, can't make a living at the game. But he's very eager to teach others how to do so.

oh ****

But, apparently, he's 'mentoring' Classhandicapper (over at PA), with the eventual goal to get him to 'see' that Bernardini moved too soon in the Classic. A very tall order, no doubt. If anyone can do it, it's Davidovitz.

ha ha ha

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I think it's sad. Dude's around all these years and he still, apparently, can't make a living at the game. But he's very eager to teach others how to do so.

oh ****

But, apparently, he's 'mentoring' Classhandicapper (over at PA), with the eventual goal to get him to 'see' that Bernardini moved too soon in the Classic. A very tall order, no doubt. If anyone can do it, it's Davidovitz.

ha ha ha

Some of us know that Bernadini was used hard moving early, but also appreciate aspects of Invasor's ability and the trip that day that were less apparent that should be considered.

Some of us supplement our income with gambling, but choose more lucrative and less demanding ways to make a living either inside or outside the sport.

I can't speak for Steve.

But I've made more money in a week trading the stock market than most winning players have ever made in a year at the track. The thing is, I also know that Bernadini was used hard early and understand Invasor's ability better than most. So I win at the track too.

If you want to talk about me you should at least tell the truth.

The debate at PA was never about whether Bernadini was used hard early in the Classic. Almost everyone agreed on that. The debate was whether Invasor was an all time great racehorse even though some of his Beyer figures weren't as fast as other great horses (kind of like the Zenyatta debate now).

I argued that he developed throughout the year and had a couple of trips that made it impossible for him to demonstrate the kind of figures he was capable of given better circumstances. So I considered him worthy of being considered an all time great at the end of his career even though some of his figures weren't that fast and none were as fast as Ghostzapper's etc...

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Some of us know that Bernadini was used hard moving early, but also appreciate aspects of Invasor's ability and the trip that day that were less apparent that should be considered.

Some of us supplement our income with gambling, but choose more lucrative and less demanding ways to make a living either inside or outside the sport.

I can't speak for Steve.

But I've made more money in a week trading the stock market than most winning players have ever made in a year at the track. The thing is, I also know that Bernadini was used hard early and understand Invasor's ability better than most. So I win at the track too.

If you want to talk about me you should at least tell the truth.

The debate at PA was never about whether Bernadini was used hard early in the Classic. Almost everyone agreed on that. The debate was whether Invasor was an all time great racehorse even though some of his Beyer figures weren't as fast as other great horses (kind of like the Zenyatta debate now).

I argued that he developed throughout the year and had a couple of trips that made it impossible for him to demonstrate the kind of figures he was capable of given better circumstances. So I considered him worthy of being considered an all time great at the end of career even though some of his figures weren't that fast and none were as fast as Ghostzapper's etc...

I give Castellano a pass for that mistake, his mind might not have been right due to what happened a couple of hours before.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Some of us know that Bernadini was used hard moving early, but also appreciate aspects of Invasor's ability and the trip that day that were less apparent that should be considered.

Some of us supplement our income with gambling, but choose more lucrative and less demanding ways to make a living either inside or outside the sport.

I can't speak for Steve.

But I've made more money in a week trading the stock market than most winning players have ever made in a year at the track. The thing is, I also know that Bernadini was used hard early and understand Invasor's ability better than most. So I win at the track too.

If you want to talk about me you should at least tell the truth.

The debate at PA was never about whether Bernadini was used hard early in the Classic. Almost everyone agreed on that. The debate was whether Invasor was an all time great racehorse even though some of his Beyer figures weren't as fast as other great horses (kind of like the Zenyatta debate now).

I argued that he developed throughout the year and had a couple of trips that made it impossible for him to demonstrate the kind of figures he was capable of given better circumstances. So I considered him worthy of being considered an all time great at the end of his career even though some of his figures weren't that fast and none were as fast as Ghostzapper's etc...

So with your 8th post you dug up a thread from July and then told us what a profitable know it all you are with both the stock market and horse racing. Well welcome because you can never have enough red-boarders on this site. I look forward to more of your posts telling us how great you actually are.

[chucklestheclown]

LOL. Now I have to check out your site...

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

invasior dodged bern in other races if i remember..i think a sickness day of the race at belmont?..the time off did the trick along with a early move by bern..

[Rootdog1]

the workout information on gradeoneracing is a valuable tool....give it a try.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by 3kings

So with your 8th post you dug up a thread from July and then told us what a profitable know it all you are with both the stock market and horse racing. Well welcome because you can never have enough red-boarders on this site. I look forward to more of your posts telling us how great you actually are.

Smells an aful lot like the reincarnation of Bell Bends Boy or one of his ubiquitous "We's"......

[randallscott35]

Never thought I'd see the words "Davidowitz" and "new" in the same sentence.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by 3kings

So with your 8th post you dug up a thread from July and then told us what a profitable know it all you are with both the stock market and horse racing. Well welcome because you can never have enough red-boarders on this site. I look forward to more of your posts telling us how great you actually are.

My post was hardly in good taste and I apologize for that, but I wasn't the one that more or less called me an idiot earlier in the thread based on an inaccurate recollection of a very old conversation elsewhere.

I'm like everyone else. Sometimes my emotions get the best of me.

You'll find that I'm generally modest, anxious to learn from others, easy to get along with, and never red board unless it's explicitly to analyze a race result in which I made no bet or lost as part of trying to learn something new.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

You'll find that I'm generally modest, anxious to learn from others, easy to get along with, and never red board unless it's explicitly to analyze a race result in which I made no bet or lost as part of trying to learn something new.

Can I call bulls.hit on this entire paragraph?

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Can I call bulls.hit on this entire paragraph?

We have disagreed, but I thought 99% of the time our conversations were cordial even if somewhat frustrating.

I have objected to terms like zenyattatard (or whatever the term is) and other insulting dialogue because IMO there no reason for differences of opinion to get personal as it often has elsewhere (not from you though). I also eventually find conversations where extreme bias is present a waste of my time. Some things are subjective and debatable and others things are just plain silly. We both know how much bias there is on both sides of the debate elsewhere.

I have no skin in this game other than to bet on the outcome of a future race and perhaps pick up a insight or two. I am always looking for the center even when others (like you) don't think I am there.

I have always listened and respected what you've had to say. I have simply disagreed with some of it and thought we were basically OK despite that.

[Indian Charlie]

It's not the difference of opinion which causes people to ridicule the diehard Zenyatta fans.

It's the depths of insanity to which they'll sink to defend their position and their absolute refusal to even think that there might be merit in the idea that Zenyatta has been coddled and is not an all time great.

In fact, it's stuff like saying you must hate Zenyatta if you don't think she's an all time great that leads to the most ridicule that they so deservedly have earned.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

We have disagreed, but I thought 99% of the time our conversations were cordial even if somewhat frustrating.

I have objected to terms like zenyattatard (or whatever the term is) and other insulting dialogue because IMO there no reason for differences of opinion to get personal as it often has elsewhere (not from you though). I also eventually find conversations where extreme bias is present a waste of my time. Some things are subjective and debatable and others things are just plain silly. We both know how much bias there is on both sides of the debate elsewhere.

I have no skin in this game other than to bet on the outcome of a future race and perhaps pick up a insight or two. I am always looking for the center even when others (like you) don't think I am there.

I have always listened and respected what you've had to say. I have simply disagreed with some of it and thought we were basically OK despite that.

I'm calling it again.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

But I've made more money in a week trading the stock market than most winning players have ever made in a year at the track.

God bless ya, classhandicapper

Hope to see ya in that "Stocks" thread sometime