Polytrack devils advocates please respond

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I just wanna get this out in the open now Point.
Redboarders are the equivalent of pond scum in the racing world. People who hang it out there before a race with thoughts and statements and picks, even if completely wrong, always get more credit than a redboarder who attempts to act oh so intellectual and knowledgable after the race with big words and oh so well written posts smacking of condescension.
We've been invaded with a hoard of redboarders lately who never once post thoughts or selections before races, yet have "all the answers" afterwards.
Just yesterday a few guys attempted to ridicule my contention that With A City was an impossible horse to bet on earlier this year. They made cases for how he could be played. I then asked them how much money they made on him and I heard crickets chirping. Thing is the ones they ridiculed were themselves, because if I ever could make any kind of case for a horse who is 50-1 or higher, you can damn well bet I'm gonna get some money down on the horse if I have to walk 10 miles to do so.
I, like you, feel he lays over the field by ten lengths. Yet I have zero confidence that he will win. What I'm trying to do is have one of these redboarders tell me who they think will beat him if he does lose, and if they think he will win or lose and why or why not.
Anyone who posts today and ignores this thread and then tries to redboard after the race, will be put into the "you are officially a cowardly redboarding scum" category and deemed a complete bull****ter and useless.

You pick a two year old race to make this contention? Its completely ridiculous.

History is littered with two year olds that looked great in the summer and didnt make it in fall when it was time to add the turn and the extra distance. Could you blame it on the track with those horses as well?

Circular Quay looks to be an extremely talented animal. He may not take to the track but then again he may not take to churchill downs either. He may love the added distance. Then again, he may not.

I will be betting on another horse (passport more than likely) in this race if for no other reason than the price on CQ being short with too many unknown variables. Those same unknown variable would be there on any track though.

As for Poly, i am with Pillow Pants in that there havent been enough races run on it to make any kind of real determinations. As for now, trainers like your boy Pletcher seem to love it. The racing is more exciting as the fields are consistently bigger.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You pick a two year old race to make this contention? Its completely ridiculous.

History is littered with two year olds that looked great in the summer and didnt make it in fall when it was time to add the turn and the extra distance. Could you blame it on the track with those horses as well?

Circular Quay looks to be an extremely talented animal. He may not take to the track but then again he may not take to churchill downs either. He may love the added distance. Then again, he may not.

I will be betting on another horse (passport more than likely) in this race if for no other reason than the price on CQ being short with too many unknown variables. Those same unknown variable would be there on any track though.

As for Poly, i am with Pillow Pants in that there havent been enough races run on it to make any kind of real determinations. As for now, trainers like your boy Pletcher seem to love it. The racing is more exciting as the fields are consistently bigger.

Thats two who covered all bases without a prediction. Thanks again, I handicap people pretty well also.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats two who covered all bases without a prediction. Thanks again, I handicap people pretty well also.

Hey, youre the one with the agenda dickbrain. For you, it is a no lose propostion.

If CQ wins, you can gloat about how you knew he was the greatest thing since wheat bread.

If he loses, you can preach your "anti poly" doctrine.

Lovely.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You pick a two year old race to make this contention? Its completely ridiculous.

History is littered with two year olds that looked great in the summer and didnt make it in fall when it was time to add the turn and the extra distance. Could you blame it on the track with those horses as well?

Circular Quay looks to be an extremely talented animal. He may not take to the track but then again he may not take to churchill downs either. He may love the added distance. Then again, he may not.

I will be betting on another horse (passport more than likely) in this race if for no other reason than the price on CQ being short with too many unknown variables. Those same unknown variable would be there on any track though.

As for Poly, i am with Pillow Pants in that there havent been enough races run on it to make any kind of real determinations. As for now, trainers like your boy Pletcher seem to love it. The racing is more exciting as the fields are consistently bigger.

Exactly how I feel which made me ask....

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Exactly how I feel which made me ask....

Thats three.
Ok so now that we have those thoughts.
Explain what level of animal(age, distance, class) has to run in it in order for us to get a read on it. Seriously. because you've now cut two year olds out of the mix.
Grass doesn't apply.
So are you saying its gotta be an older horse? because history is littered with older horses who go in and out of form as well.
Near as I can tell you are saying something like an unbeaten olderhorse or mare has to run on it in order to get a read on it.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats three.
Ok so now that we have those thoughts.
Explain what level of animal(age, distance, class) has to run in it in order for us to get a read on it. Seriously. because you've now cut two year olds out of the mix.
Grass doesn't apply.
So are you saying its gotta be an older horse? because history is littered with older horses who go in and out of form as well.
Near as I can tell you are saying something like an unbeaten olderhorse or mare has to run on it in order to get a read on it.

How about at least a horse thats run the distance and gone two turns for starters? How about a horse that has run and won at two turns and in a route at more than one track?

Wouldnt that make some sense? Nah...of course not. If doesnt fit your agenda.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How about at least a horse thats run the distance and gone two turns for starters? How about a horse that has run and won at two turns and in a route at more than one track?

Wouldnt that make some sense? Nah...of course not. If doesnt fit your agenda.

My "agenda" is to root out the redboarders. Its just that in this case Poly debate is an effective tool to do so.
Granted I can see your point and its a valid one. Horses untested at two turns may not be the best example to use in this case.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats three.
Ok so now that we have those thoughts.
Explain what level of animal(age, distance, class) has to run in it in order for us to get a read on it. Seriously. because you've now cut two year olds out of the mix.
Grass doesn't apply.
So are you saying its gotta be an older horse? because history is littered with older horses who go in and out of form as well.
Near as I can tell you are saying something like an unbeaten olderhorse or mare has to run on it in order to get a read on it.

Like I said, I'll post my thoughts later, but I'll also be sitting down w/ the PP's with the same thoughts that Dalakani said. Sniper has an excellent point about Happy Ticket by the way, and that is what I was looking for in a race. I'll post my thoughts on most of the card since I'm capping it anyway.