Polytrack devils advocates please respond

If I recall you're the one hellbent on Poly being unpredictable and bad for handicapping. I said that there isn't enough data to say whether poly is good or bad.

Looks like the ball is in your court. I'll stay on the side of the infidels...err redboarders, Mr. bin Laden...err oracle.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

If I recall you're the one hellbent on Poly being unpredictable and bad for handicapping. I said that there isn't enough data to say whether poly is good or bad.

Looks like the ball is in your court. I'll stay on the side of the infidels...err redboarders, Mr. bin Laden...err oracle.

You are 100% correct. There is not enough data. The only thing they are fairly certain of is it is better for horses and bad for veterinarians making money. Screw the gamblers. If they can't figure it out, too bad for them.

All I know is there are huge fields at Keeneland and little fields at Belmont this weekend. And Todd Pletcher has owners who want their horses on the poly.

Oracle's greatest horse ever, Circular Quay, is on the poly because the owner wants him on it. Enough said.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

If I recall you're the one hellbent on Poly being unpredictable and bad for handicapping. I said that there isn't enough data to say whether poly is good or bad.

Looks like the ball is in your court. I'll stay on the side of the infidels...err redboarders, Mr. bin Laden...err oracle.

So you have no prediction but we can count on all the answers afterwards again? Thanks, thats what I expected.

Originally Posted by oracle80

So you have no prediction but we can count on all the answers afterwards again? Thanks, thats what I expected.

Good now take your ball and go home, ya big crybaby. Welcome to a world where people disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Good now take your ball and go home, ya big crybaby. Welcome to a world where people disagree with you.

You haven't shown you agree or disagree with anything yet.
I've yet to see your thoughts on the race. Or can't you be bothered with things like PP's and handicapping races?
What do you think of the race Pillow? WHo do you like in the race and why?
Is it really that hard to answer this?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You haven't shown you agree or disagree with anything yet.
I've yet to see your thoughts on the race. Or can't you be bothered with things like PP's and handicapping races?
What do you think of the race Pillow? WHo do you like in the race and why?
Is it really that hard to answer this?

I answered you in who i like and you told me that i didnt give an answer. What gives?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I answered you in who i like and you told me that i didnt give an answer. What gives?

Ok heres the thing Dalakhani.
If he wins the deils advocates will say it proves good horses will run on it right?
So if he loses doesn't that prove the inverse?
What I'm saying is that if you don't say before the race that you think he will win, you realy can't say afterwards that it proves anything.
You seeing my point?
Sorry to throw a wet blanket on the redboarding parade here lately, but thats my point.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ok heres the thing Dalakhani.
If he wins the deils advocates will say it proves good horses will run on it right?
So if he loses doesn't that prove the inverse?
What I'm saying is that if you don't say before the race that you think he will win, you realy can't say afterwards that it proves anything.
You seeing my point?
Sorry to throw a wet blanket on the redboarding parade here lately, but thats my point.

I do understand your point. And if there were more history behind the horse i would agree with you. But a two year old? I bet against chalky two year olds all the time.

I bet for value. I just dont see a horse unproven on a surface or two turns at even odds value.

Originally Posted by oracle80

You haven't shown you agree or disagree with anything yet.
I've yet to see your thoughts on the race. Or can't you be bothered with things like PP's and handicapping races?
What do you think of the race Pillow? WHo do you like in the race and why?
Is it really that hard to answer this?

I'm going to the OTB today and i'll pick up a form and let you know. Chances are i'll be siding with CQ for the simple fact he likes to close. BUT if the track favors speed due to horses losing footing i'll probably look elsewhere.

Really this new surface is no different than the new turf at the Superdome. Even the greatest athletes fail at something they have no experience over. Just look at Michael Vick and Warrick Dunn that game. It looked like they were playing on a skating rink.

Advantage nawlins.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm going to the OTB today and i'll pick up a form and let you know. Chances are i'll be siding with CQ for the simple fact he likes to close. BUT if the track favors speed due to horses losing footing i'll probably look elsewhere.

Really this new surface is no different than the new turf at the Superdome. Even the greatest athletes fail at something they have no experience over. Just look at Michael Vick and Warrick Dunn that game. It looked like they were playing on a skating rink.

Advantage nawlins.

I saw that game and I think the emotion really carried nawlins as you say moreso than the surface.
They played like a team posessed.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I saw that game and I think the emotion really carried nawlins as you say moreso than the surface.
They played like a team posessed.

See? There simply isn't enough data to say whether the new turf is bad or good!!

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm going to the OTB today and i'll pick up a form and let you know. Chances are i'll be siding with CQ for the simple fact he likes to close. BUT if the track favors speed due to horses losing footing i'll probably look elsewhere.

Really this new surface is no different than the new turf at the Superdome. Even the greatest athletes fail at something they have no experience over. Just look at Michael Vick and Warrick Dunn that game. It looked like they were playing on a skating rink.

Advantage nawlins.

They were tripping over the players with the gold/black and white uniforms