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Old 10-06-2006, 10:17 AM
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What is Zito's excuse for not running this horse? Does this guy think he can beat Bernardini off two months rest in the BCC. The guy is clueless.
He didn't want to enter Sun King and Wanderin Boy. While Spanish Chestnut was in there would be pace for Sun King to close off of which is why he considered it. Once SC was out there was no pace so he ran Wanderin Boy instead who has a very good shot at winning it on the front end.
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:25 AM
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He didn't want to enter Sun King and Wanderin Boy. While Spanish Chestnut was in there would be pace for Sun King to close off of which is why he considered it. Once SC was out there was no pace so he ran Wanderin Boy instead who has a very good shot at winning it on the front end.
Why not throw all three in there? Makes no sense. He is going to train the horse up to the BCC? I understand with Invasor because he has a fever, but this horse should have run here just as a prep. He could have picked up nearly $200K for finishing second and it would have been a great prep.
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:27 AM
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Maybe you could enlighten Nick as to how he should be doing things. I'm sure he'd appreciate the input.
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:30 AM
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How any guy can make as much money as he has with a horse like Andromeda's Hero says a lot to me. Zito is very smart with placing his horses. How many other trainers still have a horse running that ran in the BC Juvie two years ago? Yeah, that Zito...what a moron!
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:35 AM
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How any guy can make as much money as he has with a horse like Andromeda's Hero says a lot to me. Zito is very smart with placing his horses. How many other trainers still have a horse running that ran in the BC Juvie two years ago? Yeah, that Zito...what a moron!
No. Pletcher is smart at placing his horses. Zito has no excuse for not running the horse this weekend. It sounds like he is trying to get his other two some grade 1 top 3 finishes. That is ok for them, but it leaves Sun King a race short for the BCC.
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:38 AM
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No. Pletcher is smart at placing his horses. Zito has no excuse for not running the horse this weekend. It sounds like he is trying to get his other two some grade 1 top 3 finishes. That is ok for them, but it leaves Sun King a race short for the BCC.
Pletcher also seems to go through his horses a lot quicker than Zito too. See dalakani's post above, the horse has a pattern.
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:34 AM
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Why not throw all three in there? Makes no sense. He is going to train the horse up to the BCC? I understand with Invasor because he has a fever, but this horse should have run here just as a prep. He could have picked up nearly $200K for finishing second and it would have been a great prep.

I agree with you there but it then gets into the whole BS issue of showing favoritism to one owner over the other.
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:39 AM
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I wonder, did St. Liam train up to the Breeders Cup Last year? I can't really recall how that worked out for Dutrow.
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:43 AM
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I wonder, did St. Liam train up to the Breeders Cup Last year? I can't really recall how that worked out for Dutrow.
Yeah, the Bernardini's were all over the place last year. Dutrow can do it too. A little extra help and a horse can always do it off a layoff.

How is that Kip Deville he ruined. I don't even want to know what he had in him when he ran the first 8f down at Colonial. I guess the guy is just so good that he can buy horses and make them 10 lengths faster with just good old tender love and care. LOL.
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:44 AM
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Yeah, the Bernardini's were all over the place last year. Dutrow can do it too. A little extra help and a horse can always do it off a layoff.

How is that Kip Deville he ruined. I don't even want to know what he had in him when he ran the first 8f down at Colonial. I guess the guy is just so good that he can buy horses and make them 10 lengths faster with just good old tender love and care. LOL.
Like i said, you have all the answers.
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I wonder, did St. Liam train up to the Breeders Cup Last year? I can't really recall how that worked out for Dutrow.
I'd say that worked out pretty good.
And I'd say training Birdstone up to the Travers worked out ok also for Zito.
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Old 10-06-2006, 10:47 AM
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Probably because he already mapped out the plan and it doesn't make much sense to go off of it. I would say it might be a disaster. If he had a crystal ball and knew it was going to be a 4 horse field, maybe he'd run and have him trained accordingly. I think it's a smart move, not to go off plan. I also question the off/on theory with SK, at one time I mentioned it, but if you look at some of those off races, there's some excuses, not that he just bounced, one was it was a relatively paceless race and some others were he wasn't ridden correctly.
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Sun King Sucks
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Old 10-06-2006, 12:36 PM
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Comparing Sun King to Saint Liam? I thought I heard it all. Thats just insane.
Add to that the fact that there wasnt a horse Saint Liam had to beat in the Classic with half the ability of Bernardini.

Saint Liam = 3 times the horse Sun King is
Bernardini = at least 3 times the horse Flower Alley is

Sun King is a nice horse, dont get me wrong but it would be more logical to compare Sun King to Flower Alley.
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Sun King Sucks
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Old 10-06-2006, 01:11 PM
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Sun King Sucks

No,he does not.I wish they had a B.C. race at a mile or 7f on dirt.He would have an excellent shot at that.
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