New Illinois Board rule limits ADW access for IL players

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.drf.com/news/article/114833.html


The Illinois Racing Board approved the cap in January as a way to protect the amount of revenue from account wagering that flows to Illinois horsemen and racetracks. Although many racetracks and horsemen objected to the cap, the rule went into effect after a 45-day comment period in which many racing industry officials said they would support the cap only if it were raised above the current market rate for premium signals.

[10 pnt move up]

I don't buy that the tracks and horsemen in general were not against this move.

They certainly were not in Az where they made all wagering illegal.

I guess the bright side is they still let you wager on some tracks, they I think a full boycott is in order of Ill racing.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I don't buy that the tracks and horsemen in general were not against this move.

They certainly were not in Az where they made all wagering illegal.

I guess the bright side is they still let you wager on some tracks, they I think a full boycott is in order of Ill racing.

i am sure you meant all online wagering is illegal in AZ, but then i have 5 OTBs within minutes of my house. I think we have over 45 in the PHX metro area and new ones opening every week. John Kyl was the one who got the law done here and is the one that is still trying to outlaw online betting nation wide.

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by arizonadave

i am sure you meant all online wagering is illegal in AZ, but then i have 5 OTBs within minutes of my house. I think we have over 45 in the PHX metro area and new ones opening every week. John Kyl was the one who got the law done here and is the one that is still trying to outlaw online betting nation wide.

yea, but how many tracks can you play at those otb's?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

yea, but how many tracks can you play at those otb's?

Many but you are limited to when they are open, so you miss the east coast early races, and forget any over sea action.

There is an OTB a mile a way. Its a total sh it hole. Forget about having access to Forumulator and a laptop, they will throw you out. Of course the place has a 2 drink minimum or 10 dollar fee, but heck they do let you bet your money!

F Arizona, and in general horse racing.

I used to bet a LOT of money. Now they barely get a dime from me. I still handicap and follow many races though, its a better puzzle than the sunday crossword.

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Many but you are limited to when they are open, so you miss the east coast early races, and forget any over sea action.

I spend 5 weeks in Tucson every year, my experience is they let you bet Turf Paradise, and maybe one or two other tracks- if that.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

I spend 5 weeks in Tucson every year, my experience is they let you bet Turf Paradise, and maybe one or two other tracks- if that.

Tucson bets through Rilito I imagine and probably is more limited.

I usually can get Belmont and Calder at midday, CD and Kee about the same. It depends on what time of the year due to daylight savings.

You can go to Turf and bet full cards, they have windows open around 10am.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Many but you are limited to when they are open, so you miss the east coast early races, and forget any over sea action.

There is an OTB a mile a way. Its a total sh it hole. Forget about having access to Forumulator and a laptop, they will throw you out. Of course the place has a 2 drink minimum or 10 dollar fee, but heck they do let you bet your money!

F Arizona, and in general horse racing.

I used to bet a LOT of money. Now they barely get a dime from me. I still handicap and follow many races though, its a better puzzle than the sunday crossword.

i live in Mesa and never have been to an OTB that has a drink minimum or a charge. I use a computor when i go and have never had a problem at any of them. i do know in Chicago, that some of the OTBs charge at the door and any bets made on a Chicago track has a charge on it, you dont get track prices. Today the OTBs in PHX have 18 tracks to bet, last one being Los Al

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by arizonadave

i live in Mesa and never have been to an OTB that has a drink minimum or a charge. I use a computor when i go and have never had a problem at any of them. i do know in Chicago, that some of the OTBs charge at the door and any bets made on a Chicago track has a charge on it, you dont get track prices. Today the OTBs in PHX have 18 tracks to bet, last one being Los Al

I used to work for TuP a long while ago, we used to fight cell phones being brought into the place.

I used to work at McDuffy's and we always charged the patrons who did not buy or drink and only bet. I can see it from the business aspect but it was their choice to install an OTB. I think its a bad business decision.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I don't buy that the tracks and horsemen in general were not against this move.

They certainly were not in Az where they made all wagering illegal.

I guess the bright side is they still let you wager on some tracks, they I think a full boycott is in order of Ill racing.

So what you are saying is that CDI which has been one of the leading proponents of increasing the price of the signal decided to support a law that would do the opposite?

Or that the AZ horseman or tracks have enough pull to influence a US senator?

Uh ok.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So what you are saying is that CDI which has been one of the leading proponents of increasing the price of the signal decided to support a law that would do the opposite?

Or that the AZ horseman or tracks have enough pull to influence a US senator?

Uh ok.

Your doing this just to be a pain right?

You really think that Kyl had anything to do with AZ House Bill 1040? How could he? I never mentioned Kyl.

They had enough pull though to influence the vote in the AZ legislature. Do you know what business the owner of TuP came from, where he got his money? Think Las Vegas in the 50's.

I have no clue what went on in Ill, but I can tell you in Az all the horseman and the track said how they did not want to curtail the internet wagering, blah blah but behind the scenes they were pushing it, this is not a guess on my part.

[analyizethis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.drf.com/news/article/114833.html


The Illinois Racing Board approved the cap in January as a way to protect the amount of revenue from account wagering that flows to Illinois horsemen and racetracks. Although many racetracks and horsemen objected to the cap, the rule went into effect after a 45-day comment period in which many racing industry officials said they would support the cap only if it were raised above the current market rate for premium signals.

So the horsemen basically agreed to a cap as long as it wasn’t set low enough to really impact pricing (so therefore was no cap at all). Now that a real cap was imposed what consequences do they anticipate and what actions do the horsemen plan to take?

As I said this morning on the radio, attempting to protect local product by putting restrictions on imported product does not work. (I misspoke this morning and should have referred to the “Smoot Hawley Act of 1930”)

Names , titles and some contact information of the powers that be are listed below:

ILLINOIS RACING BOARD

Chairman Joseph Sinopoli of Glen Ellyn, Angelo Ciambrone of Chicago Heights, William Farley Jr. of Oak Park, Tim Martin of Wheaton, Jon Metcalf of Indian Head Park, Allan Monat of Northbrook, Michael Murphy of Normal, Paul Smith of Plainfield and Robert C. Winchester of Rosiclare are the board Members. Officers are; Executive Director; Marc Laino (marc.laino@illinois.gov), Board Counsel Jennifer LaDuke (Jennifer.laduke@illinois.gov), General Counsel Shelly Kalita (shelly.kalita@illinois.gov) and Project Manager Mickey Ezzo (mickey.ezzo@illinois.gov).

The offices of the Illinois Racing Commission are located at the James R. Thompson Center 100 West Randolph Street, Chicago, Illinois 60601. The phone and fax numbers are (312) 814 – 2600 and (312) 814 – 5062 respectively.

The minutes of the January 26, 2010 meeting of the board reflect the following comment: “Commissioner Ciambrone moved to approve an interstate commission rate cap of 5%. An interstate commission fee is the fee a racetrack in another state charges an advance deposit wagering licensee to broadcast and accept wagers on its signal. Commissioner Smith seconded the motion. The Board approved the motion unanimously by voice vote. President Roy Arnold appeared on behalf of Arlington Park. John Johnston, John Walsh and Tony Somone appeared on behalf of Balmoral Park, Maywood Park, Hawthorne Race Course and the IHHA. Michael Campbell and Glen Berman appeared on behalf of the ITHA. Scott Duarty and Patrick Troutman appeared on behalf of TrackNet.” I don't know if this is a complete list of attendees but I see no memebrs of the media or representatives of HANA.

I would suggest that any interested parties contact any and all of the individuals named above. I will continue to hunt for more specific email addresses or phone numbers and post such information as found to assist in that effort.

The next meeting is scheduled for July 27, 2010 at 9:00 am in the downtown Chicago offices. Meetings are open to the public and as of right now I plan to attend.

The agency’s web site is http://www.state.il.us/agency/irb/default.htm and on that web site are FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) forms, minutes of meetings and a variety of other pieces of information.

[Scav]

Mike Campbell holds court almost every morning right in front of the big screen. If I can get a couple minutes I will talk to him

[analyizethis]

A business meeting just got in the way of my attending the rcaing board meeting si I can't attend. I'll still monitor the minutes but if someone else makes to meeting that would be great.

[Scav]

Illinois Racing Board response to Advance Deposit Wagering customers



The Illinois Racing Board is aware that last week some out-of-state programs were removed from internet wagering sites by virtue of a statutory cap imposed on interstate simulcast fees. A limit on the amount of fees that may be paid to an out-of-state track by an internet wagering site is required by the same Illinois law that authorizes internet wagering on horse races. The exact same cap has existed in Illinois for almost 30 years on interstate fees paid by Illinois off-track wagering facilities to out-of-state tracks for their simulcasts. These interstate fees come largely from revenues that would otherwise be paid to Illinois horsemen in the form of purses on Illinois races. The purpose for the cap on interstate fees is to preserve and promote the interests of Illinois horsemen and Illinois racing relative to other states. Such caps are common in other states for the same reason. For example, the state of California has a cap which is far more stringent than Illinois’. It is important for internet customers to understand that some internet sites operating in Illinois, such as TwinSpires, Xpressbet and Youbet.com, are owned by public corporations that own a multitude of out-of-state tracks which regularly simulcast into Illinois. These tracks are primarily interested in seeking higher fees for their simulcasts in order to maximize their own revenues irrespective of the interests of Illinois horsemen. These sites have vigorously opposed the cap on interstate fees, have threatened to have their sister tracks and others withhold simulcasts into Illinois, and are now encouraging their customers to complain to the IRB about the limit on their fees. The cap on interstate fees was established based on the desire of a majority of Illinois licensees and Illinois horsemen in accordance with a legislative mandate to protect Illinois racing. The IRB will continue to monitor and adjust the cap as the interests of Illinois racing warrants.

[dpkovalesky]

I have read about this 100 times and its still confusing me.

Can anyone dumb it down?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by dpkovalesky

I have read about this 100 times and its still confusing me.

Can anyone dumb it down?

What i take from it is that the IRB is capping the amount of profit these corporations can make. Corporations are trying to increase their profits by taking away from the horseman's 'profit'.