Vaccines are NOT safe for children

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Vaccines are a moot point, since they do not work.

Disease rates were already falling, with many nearly wiped out before their 'miracle' shot(s) was even invented.

Said diseases, when their vaccine was introduced, typically went up for a few years. That statistics on this are readily available and can be dug up with little effort, for those that don't have their minds already sealed shut.

Here's a fun little known tidbit. If you remove infant mortality out of the average life expectancy calculation, people in this country were actually living longer in 1900 than in 2000.

Truly the weirdest single thing about our health care system is how desperate everyone is to have it. What's weird about that is that EVERYONE knows the system is corrupt and broken. Everyone knows that people are suffering from more diseases and are generally more miserable than they were just 20 to 30 years ago, yet everyone is terrified to the possibility that our medical system is, at best, a complete failure (or at worst, a terrible fraud).

Autism up. Cancers up. Cardiovascular 'disease' up. Obesity up. Psych problems up and on and on and on it goes. Anyone with any foresight can see the direction things are headed.

If all they did was not work, they would be moot, but the link between thimerisol and autism is undeniable (for those of us who don't already know everything).

But wait, according to a link above, the government says vaccines are safe, so I guess skeptics and conspiracy "nuts" like myself and Robert Kennedy Jr are wrong.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by golfer

If all they did was not work, they would be moot, but the link between thimerisol and autism is undeniable (for those of us who don't already know everything).

But wait, according to a link above, the government says vaccines are safe, so I guess skeptics and conspiracy "nuts" like myself and Robert Kennedy Jr are wrong.

Moot was a poor choice of word, sorry.

I myself am fully immersed in the thimerisol topic, as I've had my entire life dealing with its side effects. After nearly being killed (literally) by a medical test to see how much mercury I had in me (over 10x the safe amount), I had to learn how this stuff got in me, and how to get it out. This while being bedridden and suffering from all sorts of horrific things that happened to me as a result of this test.

While researching all of this, I came across a group of people following a protocol that thousands upon thousands of parents used to either CURE or greatly reverse their childrens autism. The core part of the protocol was to remove mercury. I cannot tell you how many first hand instances I've read where a parent takes their kid to the doctor, kid gets immunized and within hours, the kids life falls apart and is never the same.

I've given a couple of lectures locally on my experiences with this and it's really astonishing how badly people are misinformed. While being received surprisingly well, the questions I got were pretty sad. Things like "What about mercury in fish?" and "Would the government really allow this to happen?". It is extremely gratifying when people open their minds enough to let real facts, and not marketing hype, start to let them see things for what they really are.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I've given a couple of lectures locally on my experiences with this and it's really astonishing how badly people are misinformed.

Yeah, people that insist upon evidence-based science really can put a kink into a good theory

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, people that insist upon evidence-based science really can put a kink into a good theory

I can bury you in science based proof.

Not make believe scientific studies funded by pharma.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I can bury you in science based proof.
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Alas, no. Only the true believers can see the truth in this one

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Alas, no. Only the true believers can see the truth in this one

Oh yeah, flouride worked SO well for us didn't it!

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Oh yeah, flouride worked SO well for us didn't it!

Yeah. Industrial waste by-product turned rat poison turned dental aid.

Only in America.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Oh yeah, flouride worked SO well for us didn't it!

You can see the conspiracy theories better when your water is flouridated

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

Alas, no. Only the true believers can see the truth in this one

No, I cannot bury you with scientific proof?

Or no, as in, "No no no no no! I will not hear you!" type of no?

Or no, as in "If he's right, that means everything I believe and everything I've been educated in is a lie" type of no?

Or no, as in "if I keep using icons in my posts, that will prove that all beliefs are just!"

Or no, as in "I no longer have the capacity to think for myself"?

Or is there some other meaning I'm not getting?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

No, I cannot bury you with scientific proof?

Or no, as in, "No no no no no! I will not hear you!" type of no?

Or no, as in "If he's right, that means everything I believe and everything I've been educated in is a lie" type of no?

Or no, as in "if I keep using icons in my posts, that will prove that all beliefs are just!"

Or no, as in "I no longer have the capacity to think for myself"?

Or is there some other meaning I'm not getting?

No, as in the scientific evidence simply is not there. Just conspiracy theories and fear.

You say you have science-based proof, yet the vast majority of the scientific world has, continues to, reject your "proofs" as inadequate and false in the face of overwhelming and clear evidence to the contrary.

You're in the thin, small minority on this one. You hang in there.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I myself am fully immersed in the thimerisol topic, .

Then at least spell it correctly, okay?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then at least spell it correctly, okay?

Exactly.

If that's the best you can do to dispute what I'm saying, thank you.

Sorry for the early morning typo there.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by golfer

If all they did was not work, they would be moot, but the link between thimerisol and autism is undeniable (for those of us who don't already know everything).

But wait, according to a link above, the government says vaccines are safe, so I guess skeptics and conspiracy "nuts" like myself and Robert Kennedy Jr are wrong.

Yes, it's pretty nuts to say "vaccines don't work". Let alone believe and post here that the government is purposely putting poisons in vaccines to dumb us down.

The link between thimerosol and autism was suspected as theoretical based upon toxicology data but now is considered non-existent (certainly you've read the latest study out this year?)

And you are trashing vaccines that are thimerosol-free.

Carry on with the conspiracy theories

[joeydb]

The evidence for a conspiracy is quite clear. We have been doing vaccinations for many years -- the polio vaccine in 1952 is one famous example. Yet a lot of people have died since 1952.

In fact, 1% of the population on average dies every year! That's 3,000,000 people in America alone.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

The evidence for a conspiracy is quite clear. We have been doing vaccinations for many years -- the polio vaccine in 1952 is one famous example. Yet a lot of people have died since 1952.

In fact, 1% of the population on average dies every year! That's 3,000,000 people in America alone.

Aliens. Roswell, New Mexico. The doubters have no facts to disprove the aliens have caused this.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Aliens. Roswell, New Mexico. The doubters have no facts to disprove the aliens have caused this.

Yeah, it's like "Just because I'm paranoid, that doesn't mean that they aren't all out to get me."