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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Patrick333

A pitchers job is to make sure he pitches well enough to win. Nothing else. This kid seems to win more than his share.

Explain to me how a pitcher knows exactly how many runs his team will score which would seem to be a key component to a teams ability to win?

A pitchers job is run prevention, plain and simple. Kyle Kendrick is below league average at this task. W/L record is a misnomer in many cases, his being a prime example of a pitcher whose record is far greater than his pitching prowess. At least half of a pitchers W/L record relates to something that a pitcher has absoultely nothing to do with, offense. The bullpen is another factor that the starting pitcher has no control over hence some pitchers 'losing' wins if the bullpen struggles.

In evaluating a pitchers ability, w/l record is one of the least accurate measures. This is really simple stuff.

[Patrick333]

I'm not saying he's all-star pitcher. I'm saying he wins. And to me winning the game is what's most important. Give the guy a little credit, he does have a 636 winning %.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Patrick333

I'm not saying he's all-star pitcher. I'm saying he wins. And to me winning the game is what's most important. Give the guy a little credit, he does have a 636 winning %.

LOL

I guess that all the stats and evidence that show he is a subpar major league pitcher are outweighed by his good fortune to have been drafted by a team that scores a ton of runs.

The team is winning those games IN SPITE of him on many occasions.

In 2008 he was 11-9
He had an era of 5.49
He threw 155 innings and allowed 276 base runners which is pretty close to 2 an inning.
103 of those runners wound up scoring.
So on average he allowed a run in 2 of 3 innings pitched (obviously this is an approximation as there were many occasions that more than one run scored in an inning but is a good indication of his ghastly ineffectiveness)

Out of the 55 NL pitchers that pitched at least 140 innings that year he ranked 54th in ERA.
53rd of 55 in WHIP
55th out of 55 in K's

He made 31 starts. In 15 out of those starts he was given run support of 6 runs or better. 4 times they scored 6 for him, twice they scored 7, an astonishing 7 times they scored 8, once scored 9 and once scored 20.

However according to the logic that you are suggesting, he actually had a good year because he was 11-9?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LOL

I guess that all the stats and evidence that show he is a subpar major league pitcher are outweighed by his good fortune to have been drafted by a team that scores a ton of runs.

The team is winning those games IN SPITE of him on many occasions.

In 2008 he was 11-9
He had an era of 5.49
He threw 155 innings and allowed 276 base runners which is pretty close to 2 an inning.
103 of those runners wound up scoring.
So on average he allowed a run in 2 of 3 innings pitched (obviously this is an approximation as there were many occasions that more than one run scored in an inning but is a good indication of his ghastly ineffectiveness)

Out of the 55 NL pitchers that pitched at least 140 innings that year he ranked 54th in ERA.
53rd of 55 in WHIP
55th out of 55 in K's

He made 31 starts. In 15 out of those starts he was given run support of 6 runs or better. 4 times they scored 6 for him, twice they scored 7, an astonishing 7 times they scored 8, once scored 9 and once scored 20.

However according to the logic that you are suggesting, he actually had a good year because he was 11-9?

could you scout for the cubs..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

could you scout for the cubs..

Don't they already have enough problems!