Do we need any more proof?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I read it long ago, read it again and find it as delusional today as I did two years ago, only now it's far timelier

And sadly enough, for two years, you are still scarily "fixated" upon some passing comment internet posting You are unable to comprehend how that fit into the discussion at the time. And you just choose to ignore what I've said multiple times about Obama's and/or Carter's middle east policy.

"Delusional" is certainly relative

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

And sadly enough, for two years, you are still scarily "fixated" upon some passing comment internet posting:

The comment was originally made after you told Chuck to read Carter's latest book as though his anti-Israel stance is to be taken seriously. You were raving about Obama's speech in Cairo. It was hardly in passing. You're entitled to your views no matter how far out they may be. Say it loud and proud!


IMO the two Presidents you believe 'get it' are closer to the views of Helen Thomas and Rev. Jesse Jackson than they are to what I consider the 'norm' and for Israel that’s scary. I 'get' they are both pro-Palestine.

[Riot]

The comment was originally made after you told Chuck to read Carter's latest book as though his anti-Israel stance is to be taken seriously.

"As though" ?? Are you kidding me? At the time I told you I didn't agree with his middle eastern policies.

One last time:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
BTW Some Americans RIOT for one agree with and embrace the Obama/Carter policy

No, Dell. I do not. And for you to repeatedly say I do, remains stupid.

You were raving about Obama's speech in Cairo. It was hardly in passing.

Yes. I admired the speech for it's integration of nuance regarding the region. Nuance - a concept well-lost on you. Doh.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

"As though" ?? Are you kidding me? At the time I told you I didn't agree with his middle eastern policies..

At the time you told me no such thing. Actually you told me that you weren't going to discuss his policy and if I wanted to start a new thread to have at it.

Only later when I pointed out the one man you cited as 'getting it' thinks that Israel is the worst perpetrator of human rights violations in the world did you state you didn't agree with his mid-east policy though for some reason you still were reading and pushing his books.

As I said before be proud of what you write and when it's quoted. It was one of your finest, even in a RIOT sort of way, for those who 'get you'

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

At the time you told me no such thing. Actually you told me that you weren't going to discuss his policy and if I wanted to start a new thread to have at it.

Only later when I pointed out the one man you cited as 'getting it' thinks that Israel is the worst perpetrator of human rights violations in the world did you state you didn't agree with his mid-east policy though for some reason you still were reading and pushing his books.

As I said before be proud of what you write and when it's quoted. It was one of your finest, even in a RIOT sort of way, for those who 'get you'

That is sounding an awful lot like "checkmate"...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

At the time you told me no such thing. Actually you told me that you weren't going to discuss his policy and if I wanted to start a new thread to have at it.

For chrissakes, you fool, go re-read the thread - and all the other threads about it you've started since

Only you would attempt to diss somebody on this board, and when caught out making crap up in your diss, create such a ridiculous straw man to cover your butt.

I'd think you'd be happy I agree with your political view on an issue, instead of making an azz out of yourself trying to insist I do not

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

For chrissakes, you fool, go re-read the thread - and all the other threads about it you've started since

Only you would attempt to diss somebody on this board, and when caught out making crap up in your diss, create such a ridiculous straw man to cover your butt.

I'd think you'd be happy I agree with your political view on an issue, instead of making an azz out of yourself trying to insist I do not :tro

Unbelievable

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

For chrissakes, you fool, go re-read the thread

You don't think I did?

In only a Riot way you said,

“How about a candidate for Vice President of the United States saying another candidate "pals around with terrorists"? How about when an old woman tells a Presidential candidate that the other candidate is "a Muslim"?

We've already had an abortion doctor killed, and today someone tried to blow away those he hated in Washington.”


Then later, in the same tread you said

“Yes, the Camp David Accords were a complete failure. Read his current book about the middle east, then we can talk about it.”


Then I posted the interview that exposed Carter for what he IS!

“CARTER: So the persecution of the Palestinians now, under the occupying territories—under the occupation forces—is one of the worst examples of human rights deprivation that I know. And I think it‘s—

SHUSTER: Even worse, though, than a place like Rwanda?

CARTER: Yes. I think—yes. You mean, now?

SHUSTER: Yes.

CARTER: Yes.

SHUSTER: The oppression now of the Israelis—of the Palestinians by the Israelis is worse than the situation in Africa like the oppression of Rwanda and the civil war?

CARTER: I‘m not going back into ancient history about Rwanda, but right now, the persecution of the Palestinians is one of the worst examples of human rights abuse I know, because the Palestinians—

SHUSTER: You‘re talking about right now, you‘re not talking about say, a few years ago.

CARTER: I‘m not talking about ancient history, no.

SHUSTER: Rwanda wasn‘t ancient history; it was just a few years ago.

CARTER: You can talk about Rwanda if you want to. I want to talk

about Palestine. What is being done to the Palestinians now is horrendous

in their own territory, by the occupying powers, which is Israel.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15951792/

Then you so ignorantly responded,

” Geeshus. Are you guys for real?

What I said, was: Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world.”

Then you answered and we were all worried about you,

"Fact and opinion are not equal and the same, nor blindly interchangable.

If I say "The earth is flat", you have every right to challenge that assertion and ask me to post some empirical evidence that the earth is flat. Or you can post evidence that shows the earth is not flat.

However, posting another person's web blog, where that person says, "I think the earth is flat, too!" is not evidence that the earth is flat.

Try reading the other thread about "intellectual honesty" in discourse and debate.”

Then finally after being prompted and getting back on subject you said,

“Obama - with his family history, having an understanding of Muslim culture - that helps him "get" the middle east, too. His speech in Cairo was broadly hailed in the middle east as he showed his understanding of area idiosyncrasies. He is intelligent and articulate regarding general middle eastern area concepts, and the middle east even points it out.

Carter, through the years of his Presidency and since, also has a strong and complex understanding of middle eastern issues.”

And as Paul Harvey would say, “Now You Know the Rest of the Story”

At least Helen Thomas and Jimmy Carter apologized. Kinda

[Riot]

And again, zero reading comprehension demonstrated.

Want to post where I said I didn't agree with Carter's middle east policy? I know it's easier to just ignore it

Hey, genius: if I did agree with Carter and/or Obama's middle east policies (specifically Israel, which I do not) - why do you think I would surreptitiously attempt to hide that? My well-known proclivity to not being the sole pro-Obama voice in the room? A top secret agenda to fool you regarding my support of Israel?