Monmouth Handle Doubles!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by HomerS

http://www.drf.com/news/article/113202.html

And I see fans already following it without questioning

There has been ton of discussion about this in recent weeks and not much context in regard to handle

Not trying to be a downer here

Just trying to bring some reason to the table

I want this to work

But lets not go overboard with what happened today

What is there to question? If you like the cards, big fields, etc you play Monmouth. If you dont want to follow the racing there you stick with what you already play. I'm not sure how a track doubling its handle on opening day is a negative. While there is a long ways to go i dont see anyone suggesting that it was anything but a great start. And that is without NYC OTB doing a dime of business.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What is there to question? If you like the cards, big fields, etc you play Monmouth. If you dont want to follow the racing there you stick with what you already play. I'm not sure how a track doubling its handle on opening day is a negative. While there is a long ways to go i dont see anyone suggesting that it was anything but a great start. And that is without NYC OTB doing a dime of business.

Look less racing is the answer period. The track today had people had a buzz and had horses.. Why anyone would bet Golden Gate or Hollywood or CD is beyond me. CLOSE THESE TRACK

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Look less racing is the answer period. The track today had people had a buzz and had horses.. Why anyone would bet Golden Gate or Hollywood or CD is beyond me. CLOSE THESE TRACK

Is that you tied for second after day 1 of the Survival at the Shore contest?

[pick4]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What is there to question? If you like the cards, big fields, etc you play Monmouth. If you dont want to follow the racing there you stick with what you already play. I'm not sure how a track doubling its handle on opening day is a negative. While there is a long ways to go i dont see anyone suggesting that it was anything but a great start. And that is without NYC OTB doing a dime of business.

I agree with every point you made. I played very very lightly at Monmouth today as I'm not use to the track and the horses. My handle was $66 and I had a few hits which made it a profitable day. Once I get a better grasp on this track and the horses I'll increase my wagers. So far so good.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

But I am not going to fall into trap and say all is well based on today and how blue skies ahead. Doesnt take much for anyone to write article saying look what handle is compared to last year. Anyone can do that. Just looking a little deeper

You're not "looking deeper." You're making something out of nothing. Ontrack handle at Belmont is irrelevant to a great start by Monmouth, which is all anyone called it. I didn't see anyone declaring racing to be back to postwar popularity. But it was unequivocally a great opening day.

Originally Posted by HomerS

Frankly its not nearly as impressive as it appears on paper

False. It's more impressive than it appears on paper, precisely because of what Chuck pointed out.

Originally Posted by HomerS

I feel confident in saying folks who run Monmouth- who are sharp- are not backslapping each other in celebration and saying all their problems are over

Once again, who said this in this thread? Who said anything like this? This is a discussion about Monmouth's opening day, and whether it was a positive or negative sign.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Its relevant because they are direct competition.

There is limited betting dollar

NY is ripe for the picking right now with all the nonsense going on

Monmouth should beat them. And should do so every time they go head to head. Lets see if it happens. It needs to. I hope it happens

There is limited betting dollar? HANDLE INCREASED OVER 100% FOR MONMOUTH. How much more should it have gone up? The fact that Belmont Park didn't evaporate into thin air doesn't mean it wasn't a wildly successful day for Monmouth.

[freddymo]

MP was busy today with new people that were excited about being at the track.. If the State needs to supplement the purses to the tune of 10 or 20 mil so be it.. Racing needed a jump start and the state investing 20 or 30 mil over the next few years to keep the excitement makes sense.. VLT at MP or Freehold DONT!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

MP was busy today with new people that were excited about being at the track.. If the State needs to supplement the purses to the tune of 10 or 20 mil so be it.. Racing needed a jump start and the state investing 20 or 30 mil over the next few years to keep the excitement makes sense.. VLT at MP or Freehold DONT!

Dont forget the state owns the profitable NJbets which somehow seems to elude people talking about how much the tracks lost last year.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by HomerS

How much do you think NJbets makes in a year?

Even considering they are a monopoly

Will give you a hint cant get a good 4th starter in MLB for what they make

They are making enough to approve $16 million for an off track betting venue in Bayonne. That is Jeter money

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Not unless he takes a 80% pay cut

Last figures I saw was they made between $4 and $5 million

Dont get me started on NJ betting parlors

How long have they been legal in NJ and how many are in place right now

A joke

Dysfunctional

Assume they made $4 or $5 million. Subtract that from the money the state supposedly lost on the tracks and the total is now 25% lower. We hear that racing is fighting for its survival in NJ yet a entity that supposedly only made a few million dollars statewide last year is going to pony up $16 million for another better parlor? Ok.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Ill try once more to make myself clear

I want this to work. I have bet Monmouth my whole life.I bet it today and will bet it tomorrow

I want to bet it next week, next month and next year

And for years to come

I want Monmouth to be around for another 100 years

It is a great track with a solid fan base

But I am not going to fall into trap and say all is well based on today and how blue skies ahead. Doesnt take much for anyone to write article saying look what handle is compared to last year. Anyone can do that. Just looking a little deeper

Frankly its not nearly as impressive as it appears on paper

That being said it can certainly improve. And it will need to

Because if it doesnt Monmouth will not exist. They are committed to paying out a ton in purses and need people to bet every day.

I feel confident in saying folks who run Monmouth- who are sharp- are not backslapping each other in celebration and saying al l their problems are over

Dude no one is saying that Monmouth or racings problems are solved. But your theory of people need to bet every day or their on track handle was not strong enough is misguided. It was one very successful day despite the largest non NJ batting outlet not taking any bets on the card. As for your idea that it needs to improve? Huh? If each of the remaining 49 days are as successful as today, it will be considered a wild sucess.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by HomerS

We all know every day is not going to be like today.

Its not about that. Thats my point

Just like we know that every day is not like the Haskell

Opening day tends to bring out more people and betting then normal. And Monmouth cant afford that. This cant be the best they do. If it is they go out of business.

It needs to be more. And it can be. Am sure there are some taking wait and see approach

LOL.
They doubled last years OPENING DAY!

You are right, Wednesday the place will be empty...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LOL.
They doubled last years OPENING DAY!

You are right, Wednesday the place will be empty...