"We’re in trouble"....D.Wayne Lucas

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You forget to mention how he 'trained' a couple of the preeminent juicers in the game presently.

Mark Hening and Dallas Stewart???....

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Mark Hening and Dallas Stewart???....

If those INEPT Mofos are juicing, they must have the PLACEBO.

[dean smith]

Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by dean smith

Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

Or as the English like to say "Darby's"

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by dean smith

Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

I haven't seen too many scornful comments toward him in this thread but historically there was Codex who supposedly "mugged" Genuine Risk; A reputation as a manager rather than a hands on trainer;High profile horses breaking down.
I have no idea why anyone would feel "happy" about another's fall from the top whoever it may be unless he was a world dictator of some sort.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by dean smith

I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit?

He lost his biggest owner, Gene Klein. With Klein's money, Lukas was able to compete with foreign buyers at the Keeneland and Saratoga yearling sales. That is not to say that Lukas lacked other owners with deep pockets. He trained for Overbrook, Sanan, Lewis, Tabor, and Thoroughbred Corp, among others, over the years. But those owners tended to spread their horses among several trainers.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by dean smith

Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

Others can likely state more accurately, but I think there is often a feeling his 1980's success came by smart usage of meds. .

For those established fans watching thoroughbred racing real time in the 1980's the media fawning over Lukas and family may have been a bit much. Kinda like the reason most people besides Yankees fans hate the Yankees.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by dean smith

Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

The Lukas trail of carnage is greater than even the Clintons.

[Star of the North]

Yeah, the Coach wasn't kidding. While we were busy watching the first two legs of the Triple Crown, these guys came by and nailed this to the front door:

http://tomudall.senate.gov/files/doc...ub-4-29-10.pdf

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Star of the North

Yeah, the Coach wasn't kidding. While we were busy watching the first two legs of the Triple Crown, these guys came by and nailed this to the front door:

http://tomudall.senate.gov/files/doc...ub-4-29-10.pdf

It is too bad the industry was too short-sighted and/or self-absorbed to have structured a national governing body on its own. Water under the bridge now.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

If those INEPT Mofos are juicing, they must have the PLACEBO.

Now this is a CLASSIC post. Well done.

[Sightseek]

There goes Chip Whooley's sex life.

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

There goes Chip Whooley's sex life.

[stonegossard]

There goes MTB's life. Lukas will butcher this poor horse.

Then again...those moronic owners of MTB deserve a trainer like Lukas. MTB will run dead last in The Foster. Then ship to Arlington to run dead last in the Million. Then ship to Saratoga to run dead last in The Woodward. Then run 2nd to last in The Jockey Gold Cup (there will be a breakdown in the race). Then finally not finish the race in The BC Classic as MTB finally says "**** this" and bolts from the track mid race.....then runs away to never be seen again to escape Dr. Hannibal Lukas.

[DaTruth]

Wow, their reason for making the switch makes a lot of sense: "Last year, we basically did a one-horse stable, and we didn't think that was feasible this year, especially with the limited amount of races he's going to have this year."

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Wow, their reason for making the switch makes a lot of sense: "Last year, we basically did a one-horse stable, and we didn't think that was feasible this year, especially with the limited amount of races he's going to have this year."

When I read that, I thought...

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

There goes Chip Whooley's sex life.

Could be wrong but the type I think Chip goes for probably don't care if he's training Arabians or MTB.