Zenyatta v. Rail Trip??

[Danzig]

What I find exceedingly tedious about this entire protracted discussion is that the bc is being used as the only measure of these two horses total worth in '09. Zenyatta gets a pass for an otherwise uninspiring year because she won. Rachel is vilified because altho she had an exceedingly rare campaign for a 3 year old filly, she skipped the bc. Its unbelievable and defies logic. And somehow, were rachel to manage to win the bc this year, I imagine the zenyatta booster club would be less enthused then thhey were last year.

As for hoy this year, neither mare has done anything thus far to warrant being included on the ballot.

[Indian Charlie]

Steve, are you now trying to psycho analyze yourself by quoting your own post?

I know, I know.

I'm sure you have a label for me.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

Unfortunately, this one is dumber.

"All options are open," Asmussen said. Under the heading "Next Start Undecided".

Congrats on making one of the worst attempts at something clever in the history of this board.

NT

[Merlinsky]

My blood sugar is a low so I've gone a little nuts and decided that those of us head over heels for both mares need a nickname. How about "RAZen"s? You know, like the shriveled up fruity snack? Much better than Brangelina. Yeah I'm a dork. You're welcome. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go eat something...I'll leave you with my pre-typed babble.

Originally Posted by Danzig

What I find exceedingly tedious about this entire protracted discussion is that the bc is being used as the only measure of these two horses total worth in '09. Zenyatta gets a pass for an otherwise uninspiring year because she won. Rachel is vilified because altho she had an exceedingly rare campaign for a 3 year old filly, she skipped the bc. Its unbelievable and defies logic. And somehow, were rachel to manage to win the bc this year, I imagine the zenyatta booster club would be less enthused then thhey were last year.

As for hoy this year, neither mare has done anything thus far to warrant being included on the ballot.

Yeah at the rate they're going, neither one has achieved your typical HOY accomplishments. I know they think Zenyatta is God's gift to horse racing (she kind of is--not my point), but could they just play a tape of her winning races on synethetic in CA against the females, emerging victorious right at the end, and let the horse herself hang out in the pasture? She doesn't even need to be there, we could just hit replay. I got my hopes high from the trip to Oaklawn, I guess. Rachel's lack of pizazz despite putting up decent numbers/races for any other horse doesn't perk things up either. I'm in a funk--c'mon Super Saver. I love Preakness time because you sneeze post-Derby and you're right there at another TC race. Nice and exciting.

Right now, I think they're keeping that record in mind. Again, I don't blame them, it just doesn't do me any favors. Rail Trip's not the highest mountain. I know that remark about weights is probably a loaded comment meant to discourage giving her too much, otherwise they go elsewhere. To get Z in the Vanity, they're gonna give her less than she warrants. Whatever you think about handicap races, if you take a 17 hand undefeated phenom beating up on the same quality of field and it's her own gender, there's no reason to give her less than 130. It's ridiculous.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

SCUDS are u a shrink or something? cause THAT would be scary!!

He stayed in a holiday inn express last night.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

My blood sugar is a low so I've gone a little nuts and decided that those of us head over heels for both mares need a nickname. How about "RAZen"s? You know, like the shriveled up fruity snack? Much better than Brangelina. Yeah I'm a dork. You're welcome. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go eat something...I'll leave you with my pre-typed babble.



Yeah at the rate they're going, neither one has achieved your typical HOY accomplishments. I know they think Zenyatta is God's gift to horse racing (she kind of is--not my point), but could they just play a tape of her winning races on synethetic in CA against the females, emerging victorious right at the end, and let the horse herself hang out in the pasture? She doesn't even need to be there, we could just hit replay. I got my hopes high from the trip to Oaklawn, I guess. Rachel's lack of pizazz despite putting up decent numbers/races for any other horse doesn't perk things up either. I'm in a funk--c'mon Super Saver. I love Preakness time because you sneeze post-Derby and you're right there at another TC race. Nice and exciting.

Right now, I think they're keeping that record in mind. Again, I don't blame them, it just doesn't do me any favors. Rail Trip's not the highest mountain. I know that remark about weights is probably a loaded comment meant to discourage giving her too much, otherwise they go elsewhere. To get Z in the Vanity, they're gonna give her less than she warrants. Whatever you think about handicap races, if you take a 17 hand undefeated phenom beating up on the same quality of field and it's her own gender, there's no reason to give her less than 130. It's ridiculous.

I think the record is their goal right now. Can't say I blame them at all for that. As for weights, sure they're going to try their best to keep them low-but by doing that as well as their over all handling, they've got no one to blame but themselves for the lack of respect they feel she is getting. Thing is, I think people respect the horse but not the connections. Many just know that she can do more, that she possibly could really excel-but they just won't test her.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Steve, are you now trying to psycho analyze yourself by quoting your own post?

I know, I know.

I'm sure you have a label for me.

3rd effort to attack the messenger.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

He stayed in a holiday inn express last night.

4th effort to attack the messenger.

[pmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

4th effort to attack the messenger.

Thanks. Just updated my scorecard.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

4th effort to attack the messenger.

What psychobabble term do you use to describe thinking everything is about you??

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by pmacdaddy

Thanks. Just updated my scorecard.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Originally Posted by Danzig

What psychobabble term do you use to describe thinking everything is about you??

5th, 6th, 7th and mine is the 8th for us following along

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

What psychobabble term do you use to describe thinking everything is about you??

It's not about me. It's about BTW. The only way you can help him (which is your goal...to come to the aid of a Narcissist you like ) is by attacking the messenger who brought the truth. Nobody has attacked the facts. They've attacked the messenger, and that's how people have chosen to reduce the cognitive dissonance that they are finding unpleasant. Look at #3A. IT'S A BOARD FAVORITE. The popular way to diminish an idea is to try to alter it's importance by attacking the person who brought up the idea. That's what BTW did. He admitted he was wrong, but quickly attacked the messenger(FAT MAN,) and changed the subject. Now, all the enablers of BTW have followed his lead by attacking me (the messenger who pointed out the defense mechanism the Narcissist uses) using the technique BTW used in the 1st place (attacking the messenger.)


http://www.rationalrevelation.com/library/cogdis.html

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is a subtle use of a defense mechanism that reduces cognitive dissonance.
By diminishing the stature of the messenger – the narcissist minimises the impact of the disagreement or criticism on himself. He did it more strongly last night with Fat Man:

""Yes, I was wrong about Rail Trip. Happy? I doubt it....as you are as miserable as they come."

Now, after he did that, he quickly changes the subject:

"Now, that we have gotten past that, try to actually make one post that is related to the actual discussion. Surely you can do this once."

This is a double shift. When forced to admit something he doesn't like, he makes a definite effort to shift attention away from himself.

Bump due to specific efforts made to displace attention away from this (by attacking the messenger.) If you'll stop the efforts to distract attention away from the subject, then no bumps.

[Gaining Ground]

isnt the subject zenyatta v rail trip?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

isnt the subject zenyatta v rail trip?

Yet another way to lessen information you don't like......BTW said he was wrong about Rail Trip, but (because he's a narcissist) had to try to alter the importance of that by attacking FAT MAN. I didn't bring Narcissism in. He displayed it 3 times:

1) Writes "Happy?" after admitting he's wrong...........(Narcissistic Technique.)

2) I was wrong, but you're as miserable as it gets........ (Narcissistic Technique.)

3) Changes subject...........(Narcissistic Technique.)

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Yet another way to lessen information you don't like......BTW said he was wrong about Rail Trip, but (because he's a narcissist) had to try to alter the importance of that by attacking FAT MAN. I didn't bring Narcissism in. He displayed it 3 times:

1) Happy?..........(Narcissistic Technique.)

2) I was wrong, but you're as miserable as it gets........ (Narcissistic Technique.)

3) Changes subject...........(Narcissistic Technique.)

i have no dog in whatever fight you are trying to have. just trying to get the thread back to what the subject is and its not who is or isnt a narcissist. the subject is zenyatta and rail trip.