I always thought Shaughnessy was an idiot but...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Sorry, I'd love to take the Cavs seriously, but this game just isn't on the level. Say what you want, that play where LeQueen smacks the ball out of Baby's hands out of bounds and the ref points the Cavs way was just the final nail. This isn't going to be allowed to happen.

Then LeBron travels twice on one play and ends up on the line. It's terrible comedy. I'd really like to enjoy this series. Pierce clearly fouled by LeQueen on a drive down 96-93, no call.

And if you think that diva is actually hurt and didn't shoot that FT left-handed solely in order to play up this injury angle, you're a goddamn idiot and you should die as soon as possible.

Yes it is obviously a ruse and everybody knows the NBA is fixed which is why they pave the way to the title for Cleveland every year...

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yes it is obviously a ruse and everybody knows the NBA is fixed which is why they pave the way to the title for Cleveland every year...

Refute that those calls were terrible or shut the hell up.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

The refs have had a 60 year vendetta against Boston, someday they'll get that title. did you ever see game 5 of the 1976 Eastern Conference Championship series?? I did.

Go ahead and tell me what the hell that has to do with LeBron James and 2010. I'm waiting.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Refute that those calls were terrible or shut the hell up.



Go ahead and tell me what the hell that has to do with LeBron James and 2010. I'm waiting.

Nothing at all. Tell me what a couple of bad calls against Boston last night has to do with anything?? Go ahead 'm waiting.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Nothing at all. Tell me what a couple of bad calls against Boston last night has to do with anything?? Go ahead 'm waiting.

The difference between a win and a loss in a seven-game series? I'm not following your comparison.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The difference between a win and a loss in a seven-game series? I'm not following your comparison.

Boston has gotten those calls many times in it's history. That is my comparison.

[horseofcourse]

ateam....there are bad calls every single game in every single NBA game played. Boston had more calls against them last night than Cleveland did. I saw a couple bad calls against Cleveland too, more bad calls went agaisnt Boston. And...?? I'm trying to figure out what your point is? There is no conspiracy. Jordan pushed off against Russell in Salt Lake, no call. What are you whining about? Seriously? Superstars always get more calls. Maddux and Glavine had the biggest strike zone in major league history.

Again, what point are you trying to make?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

ateam....there are bad calls every single game in every single NBA game played. Boston had more calls against them last night than Cleveland did. I saw a couple bad calls against Cleveland too, more bad calls went agaisnt Boston. And...?? I'm trying to figure out what your point is? There is no conspiracy. Jordan pushed off against Russell in Salt Lake, no call. What are you whining about? Seriously? Superstars always get more calls. Maddux and Glavine had the biggest strike zone in major league history.

Again, what point are you trying to make?

Because I've seen this before with the Cavs and LeBron. You're going to bring up ancient history, and that's fine if you can't let it go and you think this is some kind of super delayed karma for the Celtics. But I care about the here and now, and I don't believe last night's officiating was on the level. Please don't pretend like I'm the only person who has suspicions that the NBA actively tries to get its bigger stars into the Finals. It's tired and completely dilutes the game.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Because I've seen this before with the Cavs and LeBron. You're going to bring up ancient history, and that's fine if you can't let it go and you think this is some kind of super delayed karma for the Celtics. But I care about the here and now, and I don't believe last night's officiating was on the level. Please don't pretend like I'm the only person who has suspicions that the NBA actively tries to get its bigger stars into the Finals. It's tired and completely dilutes the game.

I agree. The stars get calls regardless of era except the giant guys. This is the first NBA superstar Cleveland has ever had in it's history. That's why I don't give a crap. The previous best Cavs teams were in the Jordan era. I saw how it goes. Yeah, super delayed karma...but this series is far from over. It will reverse somewhat in Boston...the calls. that happens too. LeBron is the only guy on Cleveland who gets calls. Shaq was in foul trouble the whole game, Jamison was in foul trouble.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I agree. The stars get calls regardless of era except the giant guys. This is the first NBA superstar Cleveland has ever had in it's history. That's why I don't give a crap. The previous best Cavs teams were in the Jordan era. I saw how it goes. Yeah, super delayed karma...but this series is far from over. It will reverse somewhat in Boston...the calls. that happens too. LeBron is the only guy on Cleveland who gets calls. Shaq was in foul trouble the whole game, Jamison was in foul trouble.

I thought Mo Williams got some very questionable calls in that game as well, and it's not just the fouls that are BS. I understand why you can justify the preferential treatment, but I think you can also understand why that's not possible for me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Because I've seen this before with the Cavs and LeBron. You're going to bring up ancient history, and that's fine if you can't let it go and you think this is some kind of super delayed karma for the Celtics. But I care about the here and now, and I don't believe last night's officiating was on the level. Please don't pretend like I'm the only person who has suspicions that the NBA actively tries to get its bigger stars into the Finals. It's tired and completely dilutes the game.

This is baseless. You view the game through green tinted glasses and from your comments obviously have some sort of axe to grind with Cleveland and LeBron.

Your assumption that the "NBA" wishes that its strongest team and best player plays and remains in Cleveland, OH is a stretch considering that they have been to the Finals once in LBJ's 6 years in what was the least watched and lowest revenue generating Finals ever.

So what you are basically saying is that the games are fixed and that if we disagree with you WE are the stupid ones?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Refute that those calls were terrible or shut the hell up.



Go ahead and tell me what the hell that has to do with LeBron James and 2010. I'm waiting.

The only calls I remember the refs missing was a charge that Williams drew on Rondo and the offensive goaltebding on Shaq on his putback with 120 to go. But the refs were hardly to blame for Pierce's sluggish game or Garnett fading down the stretch. And who was checking Williams during his one man rally? There are lots of reasons teams win or lose but the refs are rarely the cause. Last night was no exception.


http://www.basketballprospectus.com/...articleid=1113
Good recap