I always thought Shaughnessy was an idiot but...

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I will give you odds on that series Doc. You want +200?

Please don't be offended but if I end up playing this it will be with the same bookie I've known since '75 in college. Let's see where this is when they get ready to actually play before we assume everything will be the same for this series. The Celts need to close tomorrow to get enough rest to be ready. I don't understand why everyone wants to assume Clev. is unbeatable. Far too much made of a guy hitting half and three quarter shots for the TV cameras and not enough about playoff experience and so far his lack of it.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Please don't be offended but if I end up playing this it will be with the same bookie I've known since '75 in college. Let's see where this is when they get ready to actually play before we assume everything will be the same for this series. The Celts need to close tomorrow to get enough rest to be ready. I don't understand why everyone wants to assume Clev. is unbeatable. Far too much made of a guy hitting half and three quarter shots for the TV cameras and not enough about playoff experience and so far his lack of it.

Not offended at all doc.

I don't think cleveland is unbeatable so much as I think Boston is done. Any of those other semifinalists (assuming atl and orlando get in) would beat Boston this year in my opinion.

Their window was short.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Not offended at all doc.

I don't think cleveland is unbeatable so much as I think Boston is done. Any of those other semifinalists (assuming atl and orlando get in) would beat Boston this year in my opinion.

Their window was short.

Plus PG1985 declared them a dynasty after they won the title which kinda sealed their inevitable downfall

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Please don't be offended but if I end up playing this it will be with the same bookie I've known since '75 in college. Let's see where this is when they get ready to actually play before we assume everything will be the same for this series. The Celts need to close tomorrow to get enough rest to be ready. I don't understand why everyone wants to assume Clev. is unbeatable. Far too much made of a guy hitting half and three quarter shots for the TV cameras and not enough about playoff experience and so far his lack of it.

Cleveland is not unbeatable but there is no logical reason to think Boston can beat them 4 times out of 7.

If you watch the NBA and cant appreciate LeBron James...

There is no bigger misnomer in team sports that a guy isnt the "best player" till he wins a championship. It is so illogical that I cant believe smart people buy into it. This isnt Tennis or Golf. What team drafts a player, front office moves, injuries, coaching (bad or good) and the other guys on the team dictate who wins championships. Kobe doesnt win a title without Shaq or without Chris Chris Wallace. Jordans run isnt as dominant if Pippen stays with the Sonics instead of getting traded to Chicago on draft day, Garnett never wins anything without pierce and Allen and getting traded to the celtics. Say he got traded to NJ?

You wanna say leBron hasnt won anything? Check out the Easterm Conference Champions of 2006-07.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2...valiers_season

Getting to the Finals with that crew is a far greater accomplishment than 99% of NBA championship teams. Not one player on that team was a regular starter on another team after leaving. Not one. Of the few guys who are still plying, none of them start. He basically made the NBA finals with a team where noone else was even an NBA starter. I think he has established himself.

[docicu3]

Getting to the Finals with that crew is a far greater accomplishment than 99% of NBA championship teams. Not one player on that team was a regular starter on another team after leaving. Not one. Of the few guys who are still plying, none of them start. He basically made the NBA finals with a team where noone else was even an NBA starter. I think he has established himself.[/quote]


Tell me you didn't waste all that bandwidth trying to drum up kudos for Labron beating the Wiz without Arenas and Butler, the comatose NJ Nets 41-41, and the Pistons on their way to two years of non playoff appearance stature. Sorry I'm not buying it until the guy shows me something other than one finals appearance they got swept in.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Getting to the Finals with that crew is a far greater accomplishment than 99% of NBA championship teams. Not one player on that team was a regular starter on another team after leaving. Not one. Of the few guys who are still plying, none of them start. He basically made the NBA finals with a team where noone else was even an NBA starter. I think he has established himself.

Tell me you didn't waste all that bandwidth trying to drum up kudos for Labron beating the Wiz without Arenas and Butler, the comatose NJ Nets 41-41, and the Pistons on their way to two years of non playoff appearance stature. Sorry I'm not buying it until the guy shows me something other than one finals appearance they got swept in.[/quote]

Exactly as i said, smart guys who are blinded by the ridiclous notion that individual players arent "worthy" until they are lucky enough to land in a situation in which all the other factors add up to a championship. Cleveland without LeBron that year was a 15 win team...maybe.

Hard to believe that I have to defend Lebron James...have you seen him play?