Obama: Arizona law securing borders is "misguided"

[ateamstupid]

It is misguided you fugging idiot. People like you cry about the gov't "taking over your lives," but now you think it's cool for the cops to knock on doors and interrogate people looking for immigrants.

And keep shouting about November, as if the Republicans are going to get major gains running on platforms of no ideas and less ideas.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It is misguided you fugging idiot. People like you cry about the gov't "taking over your lives," but now you think it's cool for the cops to knock on doors and interrogate people looking for immigrants.

And keep shouting about November, as if the Republicans are going to get major gains running on platforms of no ideas and less ideas.

Well..they will..only because every political party since forever makes major gains in the in between election of a sitting President whose party smoked the other previously. Except the Repubs will proclaim it's an indictment of the sitting anti-christ President and proceed to declare The Second Amendment includes shooting Democrats.

And then Obama will still win in 2012 and they will be forced to review the video of Chappequidik yet one more time.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Well..they will..only because every political party since forever makes major gains in the in between election of a sitting President whose party smoked the other previously. Except the Repubs will proclaim it's an indictment of the sitting anti-christ President and proceed to declare The Second Amendment includes shooting Democrats.

And then Obama will still win in 2012 and they will be forced to review the video of Chappequidik yet one more time.

They'll pick up seats but I think the democrats will still have majorities. And that's really all we need in order to keep destroying America and eventually take everyone's guns away and use them for abortions.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

They'll pick up seats but I think the democrats will still have majorities. And that's really all we need in order to keep destroying America and eventually take everyone's guns away and use them for abortions.

But..isn't that OK because of the 2nd Amendment

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

d eventually take everyone's guns away and use them for abortions.

*fingers crossed!*

[Danzig]

What am I missing about this law? It is against the law to be here illegally, right? If a policeman pulls you over and suspects you're drunk, he acts accordingly. Nervous? Maybe he suspects drugs or a gun. So he requests a search. You can refuse any of those. Again, he will act accordingly. But there's a problem if he attempts to ascertain if you're breaking an immigration law? Why?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

What am I missing about this law? It is against the law to be here illegally, right? If a policeman pulls you over and suspects you're drunk, he acts accordingly. Nervous? Maybe he suspects drugs or a gun. So he requests a search. You can refuse any of those. Again, he will act accordingly. But there's a problem if he attempts to ascertain if you're breaking an immigration law? Why?

I completely agree with you. You have these liberals that are up in arms about the law being enforced. What is wrong with enforcing the law? That being said, I agree with Obama that reform is needed. It makes no sense to call people "illegal aliens" and then treat them as if they are totally legal.

If we need these immigrants here (and we probably do need most of them), then we should make it legal for them to be here. The current situation makes no sense. We call these people illegal aliens and then allow them to stay here. It makes no sense. If we are going to allow them to stay here, then we should make it legal for them to be here.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Danzig

What am I missing about this law? It is against the law to be here illegally, right? If a policeman pulls you over and suspects you're drunk, he acts accordingly. Nervous? Maybe he suspects drugs or a gun. So he requests a search. You can refuse any of those. Again, he will act accordingly. But there's a problem if he attempts to ascertain if you're breaking an immigration law? Why?

just moving this forward. i didn't get an answer from anyone on why the feds, mexico, or anyone else should be up in arms about this law. it wasn't a rhetorical question-i really want to know why this is a bad law, or misinformed, etc.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just moving this forward. i didn't get an answer from anyone on why the feds, mexico, or anyone else should be up in arms about this law. it wasn't a rhetorical question-i really want to know why this is a bad law, or misinformed, etc.

How about this: Your state can make it state law that it's a crime to not pay your federal income taxes. The wording can duplicate federal law. They can include a provision allowing them (the state) to look at and review your federal income tax return at their discretion, and for them to notify the IRS if the state workers thought your federal return wasn't accurate. Do you think that is constitutional?

The federal government controls immigration, not states. Our governmental system says a state doesn't have the right to intrude in federal law.

A example would be desegregation and the integration of schools. Federal law supercedes state law. And the feds will send in the troops to prove it (some states apparently didn't learn that from the Civil War)

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just moving this forward. i didn't get an answer from anyone on why the feds, mexico, or anyone else should be up in arms about this law. it wasn't a rhetorical question-i really want to know why this is a bad law, or misinformed, etc.

What a mess. Anyone who agrees with the State of Arizona is going to be called a racist, and the politicians in Washington are squirming in their seats and loosening their tie for fear of messing with Hispanic votes.

Here's an interesting read:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Rep...s-Must-Do-More

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just moving this forward. i didn't get an answer from anyone on why the feds, mexico, or anyone else should be up in arms about this law. it wasn't a rhetorical question-i really want to know why this is a bad law, or misinformed, etc.

See this:

Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.


Now, how do you make sure that cops will follow this part? .

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It is misguided you fugging idiot. People like you cry about the gov't "taking over your lives," but now you think it's cool for the cops to knock on doors and interrogate people looking for immigrants.

And keep shouting about November, as if the Republicans are going to get major gains running on platforms of no ideas and less ideas.

My aren't you an eloquent one? You got that vocabulary in college I assume?

The key word here is ILLEGAL. They are breaking the law, and somebody has to enforce the law. If the feds won't do it, the states will. What does the federal government think, that Arizona for example can just keep affording to pay for all the strain on their infrastructure from the illegals, who do not pay income taxes and use the emergency room like their own personal physician?

Get ready for a big old Red Tsunami coming your way. The people who work and pay taxes have had enough of this garbage.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by joeydb

My aren't you an eloquent one? You got that vocabulary in college I assume?

The key word here is ILLEGAL. They are breaking the law, and somebody has to enforce the law. If the feds won't do it, the states will. What does the federal government think, that Arizona for example can just keep affording to pay for all the strain on their infrastructure from the illegals, who do not pay income taxes and use the emergency room like their own personal physician?

Get ready for a big old Red Tsunami coming your way. The people who work and pay taxes have had enough of this garbage.

Way to not address my point. Have that paranoia checked out.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Way to not address my point. Have that paranoia checked out.

Who's the paranoid one here? -- you have the cops knocking on doors to look for illegal aliens -- like that's really going to happen. The way I took the reports was that they will be able to ascertain the legal status of people in traffic stops or who are arrested for other things.

Right now, the cops have to turn a blind eye to legal status and that has to be remedied precisely because the feds will not enforce the law. If the feds did a good job at preventing illegal border crossings, this would be a non-issue.

[Nascar1966]

An illegal is an illegal no matter how you look at it. They have no business in this country and becoming a taxpayer's burden. At least some one is trying to do something about it. I comment the Governor of Arizona for not waiting around and taking matters into his own hands.

[herkhorse]

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[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

An illegal is an illegal no matter how you look at it. They have no business in this country and becoming a taxpayer's burden. At least some one is trying to do something about it. I comment the Governor of Arizona for not waiting around and taking matters into his own hands.

I'd probably disagree with you on almost any other issue but,

I actually agree with you on this.

I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing that Mexicans want to come here, but there should be a legal procedure if we want to make it easier on them. Everyone in this country, whether visiting or here for a longer stay, should be properly documented!

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I'd probably disagree with you on almost any other issue but,

I actually agree with you on this.

I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing that Mexicans want to come here, but there should be a legal procedure if we want to make it easier on them. Everyone in this country, whether visiting or here for a longer stay, should be properly documented!

I also agree with you as long as a non USA citizen has the proper documentation they are more than welcomed to come here.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by joeydb

My aren't you an eloquent one? You got that vocabulary in college I assume?

The key word here is ILLEGAL. They are breaking the law, and somebody has to enforce the law. If the feds won't do it, the states will. What does the federal government think, that Arizona for example can just keep affording to pay for all the strain on their infrastructure from the illegals, who do not pay income taxes and use the emergency room like their own personal physician?

Get ready for a big old Red Tsunami coming your way. The people who work and pay taxes have had enough of this garbage.

I will gladly 2nd your statement. The illegals have no business here period. Like you said they pay no taxes and they are getting free medical care while the American public struggles to have proper health care.