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[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I am speaking for me in wondering how much P. Doreen wants to own the entirely racist idea that "calling someone a racist is the same as calling a black person the 'N' word."

No more, no less.

It's a ridiculous segue to the gay thing, but that's what you've been doing for years!....Hence,my question

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It's a ridiculous segue to the gay thing, but that's what you've been doing for years!....Hence,my question

Why is it ridiculous? Please explain where the analogy is faulty. The analogy is pretty perfect actually.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Why is it ridiculous? Please explain where the analogy is faulty. The analogy is pretty perfect actually.

I think your logic is twisted...that's why I asked if you considered yourself to be speaking for the movement, or something personal. You paint people with a broad brush when you disagree with them, and I think it is disengenous of you.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I think your logic is twisted...that's why I asked if you considered yourself to be speaking for the movement, or something personal. You paint people with a broad brush when you disagree with them, and I think it is disengenous of you.

What "broad brush" did I paint Doreen with? Please tell me. I asked a simple question, based on the disgusting idea that the word "racist" and the "N" word are somehow equal.

An idea that is frankly disgusting. That's no broad brush. That's a comment on a comment left by someone else.

And I don't assume that you speak for every privileged, white, heterosexual male when you make a comment, so why would you assume that I'm speaking for anyone but myself here? Anyone could've made the homophobic=fag comment, because it used the same logic that Doreen's wonderful comment used, but you're able to brush it off because it was *me* who said it. And this may surprise you, but "oh you always bring it to the gay thing," simply because of who I am, is a pretty typical, well-worn silencing technique used towards any criticism. It happens all the time to women, people of color, gays, any marginalized group...'oh why do you always have to make it about you?'

I don't expect you to believe that, or even read it thoughtfully from where you're standing, however.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

What "broad brush" did I paint Doreen with? Please tell me. I asked a simple question, based on the disgusting idea that the word "racist" and the "N" word are somehow equal.

An idea that is frankly disgusting. That's no broad brush. That's a comment on a comment left by someone else.

And I don't assume that you speak for every privileged, white, heterosexual male when you make a comment, so why would you assume that I'm speaking for anyone but myself here? Anyone could've made the homophobic=fag comment, because it used the same logic that Doreen's wonderful comment used, but you're able to brush it off because it was *me* who said it. And this may surprise you, but "oh you always bring it to the gay thing," simply because of who I am, is a pretty typical, well-worn silencing technique used towards any criticism. It happens all the time to women, people of color, gays, any marginalized group...'oh why do you always have to make it about you?'

I don't expect you to believe that, or even read it thoughtfully from where you're standing, however.

I asked you because I truly wondered. If you want to "pigeonhole" me with whatever dregs you consider to be evil, that's up to you. I don't need techniques to silence you...you can say your peace and be done with it,but probably not.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I asked you because I truly wondered. If you want to "pigeonhole" me with whatever dregs you consider to be evil, that's up to you. I don't need techniques to silence you...you can say your peace and be done with it,but probably not.

Timm, if that's what was in your heart when you asked, I can only take your word for it. For future reference, please don't *ever* assume that I'm speaking for anyone but myself, whether I'm offering up thoughts or questions...I don't speak for anyone greater than myself, and I'll continue to assume with you, like I assume about every individual, that their words are meant to only speak for themselves, rather than for some group they may or may not belong to.

And it's not "pigeonholing" you to say that you're privileged. I'm ridiculously privileged myself, just perhaps less so than you, but that's not a dig. Recognizing that is important to me, and I'm very well aware of the areas in which I'm privileged, and it's not pigeonholing me to realize them. However, my point in that last paragraph is that privileged groups very often do use silencing tactics, and they aren't even aware of it. I've done it in the past, you did it earlier in this thread. It's a no harm, no foul situation if people are willing to examine it, but I've found that most people are not willing to examine it and are happier going blissfully along reaping the benefits of their privilege while silencing others based on their lack of it, which is what you more or less did earlier in this thread by making it sound like if only I wasn't such a hysterical queer, I wouldn't make an analogy using gay people, despite the fact that said analogy was perfectly apt, and still hasn't been refuted.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Timm, if that's what was in your heart when you asked, I can only take your word for it. For future reference, please don't *ever* assume that I'm speaking for anyone but myself, whether I'm offering up thoughts or questions...I don't speak for anyone greater than myself, and I'll continue to assume with you, like I assume about every individual, that their words are meant to only speak for themselves, rather than for some group they may or may not belong to.

And it's not "pigeonholing" you to say that you're privileged. I'm ridiculously privileged myself, just perhaps less so than you, but that's not a dig. Recognizing that is important to me, and I'm very well aware of the areas in which I'm privileged, and it's not pigeonholing me to realize them. However, my point in that last paragraph is that privileged groups very often do use silencing tactics, and they aren't even aware of it. I've done it in the past, you did it earlier in this thread. It's a no harm, no foul situation if people are willing to examine it, but I've found that most people are not willing to examine it and are happier going blissfully along reaping the benefits of their privilege while silencing others based on their lack of it, which is what you more or less did earlier in this thread by making it sound like if only I wasn't such a hysterical queer, I wouldn't make an analogy using gay people, despite the fact that said analogy was perfectly apt, and still hasn't been refuted.

I don't know how you figure that I'm privileged. And from that assumption,I must be all things wrong to you,right?
Brian, as far as I'm concerned the last half of your post is totally inappropriate! Is SEIU privleged when they steamroll people in an open forum? They've done that. Liberal backed thugs. Is that what you want for an open and frank discussion? I worked 30 yrs as a Teamster in grocery whse. But their liberal drivel and voter suggestions never ceased to show up every month at my door. Please tell me what rewards I've reaped, other than by parentage or work.