3/21: AQU 1st cancelled in Horseman's salvo to Albany

[freddymo]

Yep NYRA doesn't need the handle money? Of all things to do? Owners don't earn, Trainers don't earn, NYRA doesn't earn and all for what a 80 people and a Megaphone? It is important for State to make a decision but why this?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yep NYRA doesn't need the handle money? Of all things to do? Owners don't earn, Trainers don't earn, NYRA doesn't earn and all for what a 80 people and a Megaphone? It is important for State to make a decision but why this?

Totally agree Fred. Shocked Violette would orchestrate this the way it was done.

[randallscott35]

This explains why Valid Sum worked on Friday, if they all knew the first race wasn't going to run anyway.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Totally agree Fred. Shocked Violette would orchestrate this the way it was done.

Nothing like alienating owners, fans, and management.. How does this help get the message out? Buy a full page in the NY TIMES, hire a PR firm, drop a sky diver out of a plane in between races with a sign that get gets on local news.. Cancel a race is just biting the hand that feeds you on EVERY level...Oh BTW...screw the bettors for the changes to boot

Dey tuk ur slots

[rpncaine]

Durka Durka Mohammad Jhiad!!

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Nothing like alienating owners, fans, and management.. How does this help get the message out? Buy a full page in the NY TIMES, hire a PR firm, drop a sky diver out of a plane in between races with a sign that get gets on local news.. Cancel a race is just biting the hand that feeds you on EVERY level...Oh BTW...screw the bettors for the changes to boot

Well said Freddy. The only people that are affected (with exception to the connections of the horses entered in the 1st) are the bettors. And they will just invest their money somewhere else. Really with the next two days being dark, they would have had plenty of time to march/rally in Albany get some press coverage and be back in plenty of time to run the entire card on Wednesday.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

the bettors ... will just invest their money somewhere else.

The powers that be over at NYRA somehow fail to grasp this. I give it another year before even the diehards start looking elsewhere.

On a positive note:

1) Campo actually carded another 5.5F race today --- go figure Not like he's stuck in a 6F rut.

2) The turf course is really, really green (which is the way NYRA likes it).

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

The powers that be over at NYRA somehow fail to grasp this. I give it another year before even the diehards start looking elsewhere.

What don't you think NYRA grasps?

What were their options at 8am this morning when the Horsemen foisted this ill-conceived concept on them?

You think NYRA just said, "OK Rick, that's fine. We understand."

You don't think they actively tried to explain to Violette the stupidity of what he and the NYTHA were doing?

How would you have handled the situation?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Kasept

What don't you think NYRA grasps?

What were their options at 8am this morning when the Horsemen foisted this ill-conceived concept on them?

You think NYRA just said, "OK Rick, that's fine. We understand."

You don't think they actively tried to explain to Violette the stupidity of what he and the NYTHA were doing?

How would you have handled the situation?

I really think this is why he cant win first out anymore. He needs to focus on getting them ready, I need Rick V.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Kasept

What don't you think NYRA grasps?

I'm not concerned with this situation. This is not a major issue. What is an issue, however, is that NYRA is way behind the times in terms of how they run things. For example, some simple things that actually matter to some bettors:

1) a FAIR racetrack -- this is ****in' NY, Steve, this isn't BUSHville. I read constantly where people don't like POLY because it favors closers or makes bad horses look good. Well, what exactly happens on the AQU Inner: name one other MAJOR track where horses that can't get 6F on a fair track routinely wire the field going 2 turns?

2) some variety. Racing secretaries everywhere else pretty much have figured out that offering races at slightly different distances actually is a good thing. So, for example, WO and TAM (2 of the most beatable and fair tracks out there) regularly card 5F, 6F, and 7F sprint races. This is not only a change of pace but actually offers some very nice betting opportunities --yesterday's 3rd at GP, for example, where Tagg's horse clearly couldn't get 7F but the cutback figured to be ideal for him. So, not only does NYRA presently have that BUSH track but Campo is stuck in the 6F rut. Bad horses, biased tracks, and the same distance over and over and over. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

What's happening in NY presently (now and the rest of the season) is nothing like what was happening 5-10 years ago. The quality of racing sucks (with the exception of SAR), the fields are small and they've pretty much made having TWO turf courses a handicap. Only in NY, where bookies lose money, can having TWO turf courses result in LESS races being run over them. But they're nice and green.

I've gone from playing only NY to playing them when there's nothing else available. And, I'm certainly not the only one.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

What don't you think NYRA grasps?

What were their options at 8am this morning when the Horsemen foisted this ill-conceived concept on them?

You think NYRA just said, "OK Rick, that's fine. We understand."

You don't think they actively tried to explain to Violette the stupidity of what he and the NYTHA were doing?

How would you have handled the situation?

With Fat Charts of course?