First call to impeach Obama, depending on what he does...

[joeydb]

"because either we live under the rule of law or we don't."

Do you acknowledge that your simplistic logic will lead to the destruction of this country?

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Laws themselves are used within a civilized society to govern and ensure justice. They do not apply to what is done to defend that society from those who would destroy it.

You cannot give terrorists and the enemies of the country the same rights as its citizens. The Constitution only applies to citizens -- that much is very clear.

The first amendment means that an American has the right to flush a copy of the Koran down the toilet if he so wishes. Or the Bible. Or the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Would you like to test that? I dare you. There will be a "fotwa" on your head in minutes of the story airing. Or try drawing a notional political cartoon of their Prophet Mohommed. Interestingly, it wouldn't matter if the cartoon is "pro" or "con" -- you'd be executed in either case.

Yet you want to play "patty cake" with these guys. How would you solve the ultimate puzzle:

"There is a nuclear bomb rigged to go off below an American city. A captured Al Qaeda operative has been confirmed to know where it is, when it will go off, and how it's going to be triggered."

What do you do? Do you read him "his rights" even though he is not a citizen and is an enemy of the country, and allow millions of Americans to die? How about if the nuke is in your home town, threatens your wife, your kids?

Don't give me the weasel answer and change the subject. Tell me -- "WHAT DO YOU DO??" I want to know.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by joeydb

"because either we live under the rule of law or we don't."

Do you acknowledge that your simplistic logic will lead to the destruction of this country?

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Laws themselves are used within a civilized society to govern and ensure justice. They do not apply to what is done to defend that society from those who would destroy it.

You cannot give terrorists and the enemies of the country the same rights as its citizens. The Constitution only applies to citizens -- that much is very clear.

The first amendment means that an American has the right to flush a copy of the Koran down the toilet if he so wishes. Or the Bible. Or the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Would you like to test that? I dare you. There will be a "fotwa" on your head in minutes of the story airing. Or try drawing a notional political cartoon of their Prophet Mohommed. Interestingly, it wouldn't matter if the cartoon is "pro" or "con" -- you'd be executed in either case.

Yet you want to play "patty cake" with these guys. How would you solve the ultimate puzzle:

"There is a nuclear bomb rigged to go off below an American city. A captured Al Qaeda operative has been confirmed to know where it is, when it will go off, and how it's going to be triggered."

What do you do? Do you read him "his rights" even though he is not a citizen and is an enemy of the country, and allow millions of Americans to die? How about if the nuke is in your home town, threatens your wife, your kids?

Don't give me the weasel answer and change the subject. Tell me -- "WHAT DO YOU DO??" I want to know.

omg dude. you watch too much jack bauer.

why does every conversation about torture devolve into a bad 24 plot?

was there a nuclear bomb under an american city? did i miss that?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

omg dude. you watch too much jack bauer.

why does every conversation about torture devolve into a bad 24 plot?

was there a nuclear bomb under an american city? did i miss that?

As I thought, you cannot answer the question.

This scenario is hypothetical today, and I hope it never does actually happen of course.

However, with terrorists trying like hell to get nukes, Iran developing them, North Korea already having them and, along with Russia, needing money, the question is how long until this scenario becomes real. Substitute any other weapon you'd like... how about another toxic gas subway attack like they had in Japan a few years ago?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_g...e_Tokyo_subway

I'll interpret your answer, until you come up with another one, that you choose to "Hope" it doesn't happen, because you'll have to "Change" your point of view.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by joeydb

As I thought, you cannot answer the question.

This scenario is hypothetical today, and I hope it never does actually happen of course.

However, with terrorists trying like hell to get nukes, Iran developing them, North Korea already having them and, along with Russia, needing money, the question is how long until this scenario becomes real. Substitute any other weapon you'd like... how about another toxic gas subway attack like they had in Japan a few years ago?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_g...e_Tokyo_subway

I'll interpret your answer, until you come up with another one, that you choose to "Hope" it doesn't happen, because you'll have to "Change" your point of view.

your defense of torture wound up being something you watched on a prime time drama as opposed to, i don't know, a fact?

i wondered how you can read something like what you originally posted and not lol at how fevered and over the top it was. now i know.

does everyone on the right live in an alternate universe these days? conservoworld where nuclear armed terrorists conspire with liberal dupes and the msm to bring down the country they all hate? meanwhile a secret muslim non-citizen president destroys capitalism and freedom...