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Old 03-16-2010, 09:49 AM
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It wasn't that. Just alot going on that day and didn't get a chance to look at him, there will be others, and just for you Freddy, I try and find any PA bred that is racing out there.
OMG - this is like deja'vu' all over again, especially with the IN bred......

I love claiming discussions, being a claiming owner - it's always an opportunity to learn something.

I'd love to hear more about the logic of claiming an IN-bred at Philly Park. Can you expand on the thought process, please?
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:25 AM
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OMG - this is like deja'vu' all over again, especially with the IN bred......

I love claiming discussions, being a claiming owner - it's always an opportunity to learn something.

I'd love to hear more about the logic of claiming an IN-bred at Philly Park. Can you expand on the thought process, please?
I really, really wanted to avoid getting involved in this thread, but I have to ask you Tom, why not? Indiana has a very solid state-bred program, with good additional bonus structures at the end of each meet. If there is a sound Indiana Bred who can run a 50-60 Beyer, why wouldn't you consider claiming him?
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:35 AM
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I really, really wanted to avoid getting involved in this thread, but I have to ask you Tom, why not? Indiana has a very solid state-bred program, with good additional bonus structures at the end of each meet. If there is a sound Indiana Bred who can run a 50-60 Beyer, why wouldn't you consider claiming him?
soon as you get out..they suck you back in...
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:36 AM
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I really, really wanted to avoid getting involved in this thread, but I have to ask you Tom, why not? Indiana has a very solid state-bred program, with good additional bonus structures at the end of each meet. If there is a sound Indiana Bred who can run a 50-60 Beyer, why wouldn't you consider claiming him?
Isn't Double Entawndra an IN Bred?
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:23 AM
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I really, really wanted to avoid getting involved in this thread, but I have to ask you Tom, why not? Indiana has a very solid state-bred program, with good additional bonus structures at the end of each meet. If there is a sound Indiana Bred who can run a 50-60 Beyer, why wouldn't you consider claiming him?
More to the point - why wouldn't you consider a private buy on a horse like that? That way, you avoid 60 days jail at Philly, and you save conditions you can use by not risking them in a race you might claim out of.

So, Scav, why not attempt a private buy if this IN-bred was on your radar?
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:31 AM
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More to the point - why wouldn't you consider a private buy on a horse like that? That way, you avoid 60 days jail at Philly, and you save conditions you can use by not risking them in a race you might claim out of.

So, Scav, why not attempt a private buy if this IN-bred was on your radar?
The private buy is always an option, but the few horses we have claimed generally get 30-60 days to refresh before we run them anyway so the jail wouldn't be a big issue to me. As far as conditions, we would ideally have ( and I can't speak specifically to this horse) all the IN Bred conditions left so it might be worth risking an open condition in that PHA race. All things to consider certainly, but I still don't think it's a ridiculous notion.
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:58 AM
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More to the point - why wouldn't you consider a private buy on a horse like that? That way, you avoid 60 days jail at Philly, and you save conditions you can use by not risking them in a race you might claim out of.

So, Scav, why not attempt a private buy if this IN-bred was on your radar?
No offense man, but we weren't worried about claiming conditions with that horse.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:26 AM
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Life conditions are your friend so it's something to always be concerned with. I don't know what the IN program entails so I understand why you would mention they aren't important if there's no additional payday for condition races.

Dandy is a Suffolk trainer - or was. He used to come down to MD for the winter meet and then go back when SUF reopened. Don't know if he still does that or not, i.e., winters at Philly and goes back to SUF in May.

And to think - I drive by Grove's barn everytime I go to Bowie to see my horses.... networking is a wonderful thing.....
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#4 Adagio (GB) Scratched - Trainer 10:45 AM ET
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:20 AM
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Life conditions are your friend so it's something to always be concerned with. I don't know what the IN program entails so I understand why you would mention they aren't important if there's no additional payday for condition races.

Dandy is a Suffolk trainer - or was. He used to come down to MD for the winter meet and then go back when SUF reopened. Don't know if he still does that or not, i.e., winters at Philly and goes back to SUF in May.

And to think - I drive by Grove's barn everytime I go to Bowie to see my horses.... networking is a wonderful thing.....
He would be an allowance horse in IN not a conditioned claimer. IN breds are generally terrible horses. Appoint won an INbred allowance race and was stakes placed. Her lifetime top beyer is a 50.
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:23 AM
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More importantly, jail time in PA is 30 days, such an astute mid atlantic claim guy should know this.

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/05.../s163.254.html

Which, amazingly, lines up with the Indiana Downs meet, which amazingly has 29k allowance races won by 35 Beyers, which amazingly get another 20% owners bonus up to 10k.
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Old 05-11-2010, 04:37 PM
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OMG - this is like deja'vu' all over again, especially with the IN bred......

I love claiming discussions, being a claiming owner - it's always an opportunity to learn something.

I'd love to hear more about the logic of claiming an IN-bred at Philly Park. Can you expand on the thought process, please?
Someone else obviously thought it was a great idea about said IN bred, amazing he ended up in an allowance race at Indiana Downs for 28k where he is gonna be even money and win an IN bred stakes for 70k later in the meet.

4th (8:10)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $25,000
Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.

1 Our Rock Star Lopez J 116
2 Kriscrossedkris Lopez J 118 L
3 Blue Ryder Red 118 L
4 Northern Candyride Lebron V 116 L
5 Our Devil's Halo De La Cruz F 111 FTL
6 Roof Tinner Estrada A 118 L
7 Sunset Artisan De La Cruz F 118 L
8 London Town Stokes R A III 111 L
9 Molokai Turner T G 118 Blk-On
10 You Already Know Creed B 106 L
11 Mr Consolidator Cotto P L Jr 111 L
12 Tuerto Goncalves L R 111 L
AE J T 's Copperline Knott R L 118 L
AE Dinner for Two Mojica O 118 L
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Old 05-18-2010, 05:24 PM
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Adagio entered back finally tomorrow for 20k at Bel race 4 listed at 4/5
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Someone else obviously thought it was a great idea about said IN bred, amazing he ended up in an allowance race at Indiana Downs for 28k where he is gonna be even money and win an IN bred stakes for 70k later in the meet.

4th (8:10)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Allowance | Purse: $25,000
Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.

1 Our Rock Star Lopez J 116
2 Kriscrossedkris Lopez J 118 L
3 Blue Ryder Red 118 L
4 Northern Candyride Lebron V 116 L
5 Our Devil's Halo De La Cruz F 111 FTL
6 Roof Tinner Estrada A 118 L
7 Sunset Artisan De La Cruz F 118 L
8 London Town Stokes R A III 111 L
9 Molokai Turner T G 118 Blk-On
10 You Already Know Creed B 106 L
11 Mr Consolidator Cotto P L Jr 111 L
12 Tuerto Goncalves L R 111 L
AE J T 's Copperline Knott R L 118 L
AE Dinner for Two Mojica O 118 L


How did this one run? I missed the results....
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How did this one run? I missed the results....
Like crap sprinting, trying a route tomorrow.
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Adagio entered back for 35 k on the 29th, purse $57,000
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Adagio entered back for 35 k on the 29th, purse $57,000
Wins again, and is not claimed.
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Old 05-30-2010, 11:46 PM
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$55,550 in purses since the drop in 2 races, now what is everyone so afraid of? Dutrow the only one who can work miracles with this one?
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