Weekend Stakes Beyers

[slotdirt]

Am I the only one that would find a mythical Oklahoma Millions as interesting as the Sunshine Millions?

[cmorioles]

The 108 for This One's for Phil was boosted about 5 by the Beyer boys for some reason.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The 108 for This One's for Phil was boosted about 5 by the Beyer boys for some reason.

Is boasting a fig from 103 to 108 the same as boasting it for 60 to 65.. when you boast from 103 to 108 its about a 5% inflation but 9% in the other example.. Is there significants to this or is that a poor analysis?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Is boasting a fig from 103 to 108 the same as boasting it for 60 to 65.. when you boast from 103 to 108 its about a 5% inflation but 9% in the other example.. Is there significants to this or is that a poor analysis?

It is a poor analysis, because a 65 is not 60% as fast as a 108, it is much faster.

[freddymo]

So making a fig 25 instead of 20 is the same as 110 to 115? I guess it seems a more dramtic inflation from 20 to 25?

[cmorioles]

It is pretty much the same. It might be a tiny bit different, but nowhere what you were suggesting. The difference at 6f between a 20 and a 100 Beyer is 5 to 6 seconds. The race takes high 60s, low 70s seconds to complete. Wrap your head around that for awhile before asking more questions. You'll get it.

[freddymo]

Interesting..

Horse A was given a 25 should have been a 20 and his next race is one were the winning par in 30

Horse B was given 95 but it should have been a 90 and his next race is one were the winning par is 100

Both theorically need to improve 10pts to win but the jump from 20-30 is equal to 90 -100.. I would have thought the 20 to 30 horses had more to improve then the 90 to 100 horse.. I guess I was very wrong again

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The 108 for This One's for Phil was boosted about 5 by the Beyer boys for some reason.

Some reason?

Obviously because of the quick pace ... they've done it many times before in big races.

Remember the '01 Amsterdam when City Zip and Speightstown hooked up in an early war through insane fractions - and both lasted despite totally staggering home to a 1-2 finish.

They inflated City Zip's fig all the way to a 100 and Speightstown's to a 97 - a MUCH slower paced NY Bred maiden race at the same distance 30 minutes later went faster.

I think you would agree with me that they shouldn't do this ... because it unjustly rewards the suck-up closers.

[cmorioles]

Of course that is why they did it, and it does make horses that didn't run well look better. They do it in big races and small races alike ALL THE TIME.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Of course that is why they did it, and it does make horses that didn't run well look better. They do it in big races and small races alike ALL THE TIME.

Is this deemed the non scientific/artist license that Fig makers require?

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Is this deemed the non scientific/artist license that Fig makers require?

My secret's out. Damn it.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Of course that is why they did it, and it does make horses that didn't run well look better. They do it in big races and small races alike ALL THE TIME.

They did it for some reason because they do it ALL THE TIME.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They did it for some reason because they do it ALL THE TIME.

Actually, they don't do it all the time, just some of the time. In my opinion that makes it even worse. I guess some figure makers for Beyer are more stringent than others.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

They did it for some reason because they do it ALL THE TIME...

But actually, they don't do it all the time, just some of the time.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Some reason?

Obviously because of the quick pace ... they've done it many times before in big races.

Remember the '01 Amsterdam when City Zip and Speightstown hooked up in an early war through insane fractions - and both lasted despite totally staggering home to a 1-2 finish.

They inflated City Zip's fig all the way to a 100 and Speightstown's to a 97 - a MUCH slower paced NY Bred maiden race at the same distance 30 minutes later went faster.

I think you would agree with me that they shouldn't do this ... because it unjustly rewards the suck-up closers.

Do you like when they lower figs for reasons that they just believe the horses couldnt have improved as such?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Do you like when they lower figs for reasons that they just believe the horses couldnt have improved as such?

The biggest bet I ever made in my life was on Mossflower when she first ran in a stakes. The Beyer guys had demoted her figure for no apparent reason from a 110 to something in the low 100s if I remember right. I think it was the Hempstead. So yes, I love it, I take advantage of it when possible.

[hockey2315]

GGG got a 95

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The biggest bet I ever made in my life was on Mossflower when she first ran in a stakes. The Beyer guys had demoted her figure for no apparent reason from a 110 to something in the low 100s if I remember right. I think it was the Hempstead. So yes, I love it, I take advantage of it when possible.

I wonder why they elect to not just post them as they should and subject them to creavity.I get why you wouldnt want them to change but it seems arrogant to adjust just for the sake of adjusting?

[cmorioles]

I think they do it out of ignorance, not arrogance. They don't look at pace so they don't know why the horse ran slower (or faster) than expected. Since it isn't understood, it is just assumed the track changed. That is my opinion only.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I wonder why they elect to not just post them as they should and subject them to creavity.I get why you wouldnt want them to change but it seems arrogant to adjust just for the sake of adjusting?

It's three times now that they've cut the wonder Pig's race loose from the whole card to give his race a lower fig.