McKee Blew it!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Has Bernardini?

Besides, a bunch of tired horses in the Preakness and an injured Barbaro...He got away with slow fractions in the Jim Dandy and beat a 3 legged Blue Grass Cat in the Travers...

I agree with you. I don't think that Lawyer Ron is nearly as good as Bernardini but I hate it when people ask who a horse has beaten. If a person has any scouting ability at all, they can tell whether a horse is good regardless of who he's beaten.

Bernardini hasn't beaten any great horses on their best day. Sweetnorthernsaint didn't run anything close to his best in the Preakness. Brother Derek didn't fire in the Preakness. Bernardini beat nobody in his first race this summer. His last race is the only race where you could say he beat a pretty good horse in Bluegrass Cat. BGC may not have run his best that day but I think he ran close to his best.

By the way, Lawyer Ron kept beating that grey horse over and over again. That grey horse ran 3rd in the Ky Derby.

LR is a very good horse. He's not nealy as good as Bernardini but neither is anyone else. LR is in the top handful of best 3 year olds.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I agree with you. I don't think that Lawyer Ron is nearly as good as Bernardini but I hate it when people ask who a horse has beaten. If a person has any scouting ability at all, they can tell whether a horse is good regardless of who he's beaten.

Bernardini hasn't beaten any great horses on their best day. Sweetnorthernsaint didn't run anything close to his best in the Preakness. Brother Derek didn't fire in the Preakness. Bernardini beat nobody in his first race this summer. His last race is the only race where you could say he beat a pretty good horse in Bluegrass Cat. BGC may not have run his best that day but I think he ran close to his best.

By the way, Lawyer Ron kept beating that grey horse over and over again. That grey horse ran 3rd in the Ky Derby.

LR is a very good horse. He's not nealy as good as Bernardini but neither is anyone else. LR is in the top handful of best 3 year olds.

Isnt that "grey horse" still eligible for nx2 competition?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Isnt that "grey horse" still eligible for nx2 competition?

Does that mean he has to give back the money he's won?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Isnt that "grey horse" still eligible for nx2 competition?

Why does everyone think that Barbaro is so good then. The Derby must have been a really weak field if a horse who is eligible for nx2 ran 3rd.

This is why it is so pointless to ask who a horse beat. It's not who they beat, it's how they do it. There were people who were asking who Bellamy Road beat in the Wood. He won by 18 lengths and people are asking who he beat. It's unbelievable.

Who did Discreet Cat beat the other day? Who cares who he beat! It doesn't take a genius to see that he he ran incedible and he is no worse than the 2nd best 3 year old in the country right now. The only horse who might be able to beat him is Bernardini. It's amazing that I know this despite the fact that Discreet Cat didn't beat anyone the other day.

It was amazing that people figured out that Henny Hughes' comeback at Monmouth was a great race despite the fact that he didn't beat anyone that day. The fans must be geniuses. They made Henny 4-5 in the King's Bishop. Did you think he sould have been 10-1 that day since he didn't beat anyone at Monmouth?

[Danzig]

wish i knew who beat bernardini in his first start. that horse is obviously THE BEST three year old, since he beat bernardini.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on now. You know what we are saying. As for High Cotton, you were right, but look at where he was in the Travers.

ok, so bernardini and lawyer ron both can claim victories over high cotton...
lol sounds like they've both beat the same horses to me!!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

ok, so bernardini and lawyer ron both can claim victories over high cotton...
lol sounds like they've both beat the same horses to me!!

yeah, but bernadini also can claim wins over sweetnorthernsaint, brother derek and bluegrasscat.

I know, i know...those horse arent anywhere close to high cotton but i had to give it a shot.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

yeah, but bernadini also can claim wins over sweetnorthernsaint, brother derek and bluegrasscat.

I know, i know...those horse arent anywhere close to high cotton but i had to give it a shot.

sinister minister can say the same about bluegrass cat, cindago about brother derek, and like now about sweetnorthernsaint. see what happens when you start looking at who beat whom??

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Why does everyone think that Barbaro is so good then. The Derby must have been a really weak field if a horse who is eligible for nx2 ran 3rd.

This is why it is so pointless to ask who a horse beat. It's not who they beat, it's how they do it. There were people who were asking who Bellamy Road beat in the Wood. He won by 18 lengths and people are asking who he beat. It's unbelievable.

Who did Discreet Cat beat the other day? Who cares who he beat! It doesn't take a genius to see that he he ran incedible and he is no worse than the 2nd best 3 year old in the country right now. The only horse who might be able to beat him is Bernardini.

I disagree. There have been plenty of horses that have made false reputations against bad horses. Happens every year.

And even going by your line of thinking, what was so impressive about LR's races anyway? He has beyered over 100 but twice going into yesterday's race.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I disagree. There have been plenty of horses that have made false reputations against bad horses. Happens every year.

And even going by your line of thinking, what was so impressive about LR's races anyway? He has beyered over 100 but twice going into yesterday's race.

I can think of a few horses like that this year and last year. Bob and John won the Wood Memorial even though he's nothing special. Point Determined won a graded stakes race at Hollywood and he's not much horse. Private Vow won a couple of big races last year. I was never impressed with him.

I wasn't particularly impressed with Jazil's Belmont win. That race played very weak.

Lawyer Ron is better than any of those horses although he can't run 1 1/2 miles like Jazil. With regard to his speed figures, I hear that his sheet figures were actually very good in the Arkansas races. The sheets rated those races much higher than Beyer did.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I can think of a few horses like that this year and last year. Bob and John won the Wood Memorial even though he's nothing special. Point Determined won a graded stakes race at Hollywood and he's not much horse. Private Vow won a couple of big races last year. I was never impressed with him.

I wasn't particularly impressed with Jazil's Belmont win. That race played very weak.

Lawyer Ron is better than any of those horses although he can't run 1 1/2 miles like Jazil. With regard to his speed figures, I hear that his sheet figures were actually very good in the Arkansas races. The sheets rated those races much higher than Beyer did.

I think Beyer was right on this one.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Why does everyone think that Barbaro is so good then. The Derby must have been a really weak field if a horse who is eligible for nx2 ran 3rd.

This is why it is so pointless to ask who a horse beat. It's not who they beat, it's how they do it. There were people who were asking who Bellamy Road beat in the Wood. He won by 18 lengths and people are asking who he beat. It's unbelievable.

Who did Discreet Cat beat the other day? Who cares who he beat! It doesn't take a genius to see that he he ran incedible and he is no worse than the 2nd best 3 year old in the country right now. The only horse who might be able to beat him is Bernardini. It's amazing that I know this despite the fact that Discreet Cat didn't beat anyone the other day.

It was amazing that people figured out that Henny Hughes' comeback at Monmouth was a great race despite the fact that he didn't beat anyone that day. The fans must be geniuses. They made Henny 4-5 in the King's Bishop. Did you think he sould have been 10-1 that day since he didn't beat anyone at Monmouth?

The difference is that Henny ran a ridiculous fig and also has beaten decent horses in the past. Can you say the same about lawyer Ron?

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The difference is that Henny ran a ridiculous fig and also has beaten decent horses in the past. Can you say the same about lawyer Ron?

Let's see what the fig comes back for yesterday's race...Will you admit you are wrong if it is high?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Let's see what the fig comes back for yesterday's race...Will you admit you are wrong if it is high?

Wrong about what?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Let's see what the fig comes back for yesterday's race...Will you admit you are wrong if it is high?

I have a feeling that both horses BSFs are going to be nice...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I have a feeling that both horses BSFs are going to be nice...

And why would you think that? Do you know how to make figs? That number is going to be a crapshoot.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The difference is that Henny ran a ridiculous fig and also has beaten decent horses in the past. Can you say the same about lawyer Ron?

Henny ran a 109 Beyer at Monmouth. Lawyer Ron ran a 106 once.

Who did Henny beat last year? I only ask you in gest so that you realize what a silly question it is. I know how good Henny Hughes is. It doesn't matter who he beat last year. I'm not sure if he beat any really good horses last year or not but it doesn't matter. He's a really good horse and he's probably the horse to beat in the BC Sprint. It doesn't matter who he's beaten, it's how he did it.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Henny ran a 109 Beyer at Monmouth. Lawyer Ron ran a 106 once.

Who did Henny beat last year? I only ask you in gest so that you realize what a silly question it is. I know how good Henny Hughes is. It doesn't matter who he beat last year. I'm not sure if he beat any really good horses last year or not but it doesn't matter. He's a really good horse and he's probably the horse to beat in the BC Sprint. It doesn't matter who he's beaten, it's how he did it.

Henny Hughes beat everyone but Stevie wonderboy in the BC juvey and he put up multiple performances that showed his quality.

But, I will definitely be betting against Henny this year in the BC sprint. I think he is a nice horse but will be overbet.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Henny Hughes beat everyone but Stevie wonderboy in the BC juvey and he put up multiple performances that showed his quality.

But, I will definitely be betting against Henny this year in the BC sprint. I think he is a nice horse but will be overbet.

I think Henny is the horse to beat in the Sprint but I agree that he probably will be overbet. I wouldn't be anxious to take a short price on him against older horses.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I'm a Lawyer Ron fan and I'm not making excuses although it is obvious that the horse could have possibly won the race if he wasn't so rank early own.

Lawyer Ron is not as good as Bernardini...no way.

However, Lawyer Ron is definitely in the top tier of the 3 yos. He is 5th on the earnings list of all horses of this year. I really like the colt. If spotted right, this horse will go on to win many more stakes races. He probably could have beat SC yesterday if he would have settled. That WAS NOT his best performance as he was very rank early. I really think that LR is improving too, at least, since this spring.

I think he stands a shot to win races such as the Cigar Mile if prepared properly. However, he should not be put in races such as the BC Classic. At this point, I really think that he has distance limitations as I have probably said many times throughout this thread...