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[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Gander

You cant say that there is no way Strong Contender is the better horse or vice versa. I personally think so but cnt argue with those who feel Lawyer Ron is the better horse. But please dont act like Lawyer Ron is some super horse like Bernardini and whos recent wins blow Strong Contender's resume out of the water. Its just not true. I agree these horses are very close in ability but I think Strong Contender is more talented. Only time will tell, and maybe time wont even tell with the way horses are retired just when your getting into rivalries.

I think you're right only that I think that SC and LR are about at the same level at 1 1/8. Past 1 1/8, it's SC all the way. I really think LR has distance limitations. Yesterday proved that neither one of these horses are "slow". SC made a very, very nice move coming around the final turn. I think that this horse is improving, and will be an extremely nice horse as a four year old. I really see SC being a late bloomer because of his size. I mean, you saw the difference in SC's size and LR's size yesterday. SC is HUGE!!! I also think that the Beyers for this race will be decent in the grand scheme of GI horses.

I would like to see Holthus skip the BCC with LR and point him to the Cigar Mile. I don't think that he will be a factor in the Classic because I really don't think this horse is going to want 1 1/4 especially with him being as rank as he is, but I do think that he would do very well in the CM.

[Danzig]

one race at 10f imo isn't enough to say lawyer ron can't get the distance. i remember that folks thought congaree couldn't get it either. altho he didn't win them all, he was always there at the end.

hard to say yet which of the two is better, SC or LR. of course head to head right now, you'd have to think strong contender is the better, since he's the one with the win.

not so sure that ron will be back. i know there's a stud deal in place for him. i wouldn't be surprised if he ran til the end of the year, whether bcc or elsewhere, and then retired.

strong contender--i'm hoping he'll be back next year. i don't feel he's done enough yet to really garner a lot of attention as far as breeding, and that he's still improving. still a lot of upside to this guy, i think he could be a top older horse.

[2Hot4TV]

If you watched the race you could see that Lawyer Ron was (IMO) intimidated by the horses around him in post parade. That was Strong Contender and he was cool , calm and relaxed. The only reason I didn't bet him was because he refused to be loaded in the gate. In hind sight he didn't get mad or angry he was just stubborn and kept turning sideways to the gate. I think Strong Contender is going to improve off this race.

[dalakhani]

Just a quick question for all of the Lawyer Ron apologists. What has he ever beaten? The Arkansas route was quite soft this year and its not like the St louis derby is a real race.

Has he beaten anything of quality?

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Just a quick question for all of the Lawyer Ron apologists. What has he ever beaten? The Arkansas route was quite soft this year and its not like the St louis derby is a real race.

Has he beaten anything of quality?

Has Bernardini?

Besides, a bunch of tired horses in the Preakness and an injured Barbaro...He got away with slow fractions in the Jim Dandy and beat a 3 legged Blue Grass Cat in the Travers...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Has Bernardini?

Besides, a bunch of tired horses in the Preakness and an injured Barbaro...He got away with slow fractions in the Jim Dandy and beat a 3 legged Blue Grass Cat in the Travers...

Well, Bernardini won the Preakness and in doing so beat graded stakes winners in Sweetnorthernsaint and brother derek. If you include barbaro, he beat the three top favorites in the derby and did so convincingly.

In the travers he beat BGC who was a graded stake winner and a runner up in two classics.

I would say he has beaten the best in his class save a healthy barbaro.

I repeat, what has Lawyer Ron beaten?

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Well, Bernardini won the Preakness and in doing so beat graded stakes winners in Sweetnorthernsaint and brother derek. If you include barbaro, he beat the three top favorites in the derby and did so convincingly.

In the travers he beat BGC who was a graded stake winner and a runner up in two classics.

I would say he has beaten the best in his class save a healthy barbaro.

I repeat, what has Lawyer Ron beaten?

Do you really think SNS and BD were at their best in the Preakness?

BGC was running on 3 legs in the Travers...

Bernardini is a talented horse, but I do not believe he's a super horse by any means...GZ, Smarty, and Mineshaft to name a few are better...

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Has Bernardini?

Besides, a bunch of tired horses in the Preakness and an injured Barbaro...He got away with slow fractions in the Jim Dandy and beat a 3 legged Blue Grass Cat in the Travers...

I agree with you. I don't think that Lawyer Ron is nearly as good as Bernardini but I hate it when people ask who a horse has beaten. If a person has any scouting ability at all, they can tell whether a horse is good regardless of who he's beaten.

Bernardini hasn't beaten any great horses on their best day. Sweetnorthernsaint didn't run anything close to his best in the Preakness. Brother Derek didn't fire in the Preakness. Bernardini beat nobody in his first race this summer. His last race is the only race where you could say he beat a pretty good horse in Bluegrass Cat. BGC may not have run his best that day but I think he ran close to his best.

By the way, Lawyer Ron kept beating that grey horse over and over again. That grey horse ran 3rd in the Ky Derby.

LR is a very good horse. He's not nealy as good as Bernardini but neither is anyone else. LR is in the top handful of best 3 year olds.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I agree with you. I don't think that Lawyer Ron is nearly as good as Bernardini but I hate it when people ask who a horse has beaten. If a person has any scouting ability at all, they can tell whether a horse is good regardless of who he's beaten.

Bernardini hasn't beaten any great horses on their best day. Sweetnorthernsaint didn't run anything close to his best in the Preakness. Brother Derek didn't fire in the Preakness. Bernardini beat nobody in his first race this summer. His last race is the only race where you could say he beat a pretty good horse in Bluegrass Cat. BGC may not have run his best that day but I think he ran close to his best.

By the way, Lawyer Ron kept beating that grey horse over and over again. That grey horse ran 3rd in the Ky Derby.

LR is a very good horse. He's not nealy as good as Bernardini but neither is anyone else. LR is in the top handful of best 3 year olds.

Isnt that "grey horse" still eligible for nx2 competition?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I'm a Lawyer Ron fan and I'm not making excuses although it is obvious that the horse could have possibly won the race if he wasn't so rank early own.

Lawyer Ron is not as good as Bernardini...no way.

However, Lawyer Ron is definitely in the top tier of the 3 yos. He is 5th on the earnings list of all horses of this year. I really like the colt. If spotted right, this horse will go on to win many more stakes races. He probably could have beat SC yesterday if he would have settled. That WAS NOT his best performance as he was very rank early. I really think that LR is improving too, at least, since this spring.

I think he stands a shot to win races such as the Cigar Mile if prepared properly. However, he should not be put in races such as the BC Classic. At this point, I really think that he has distance limitations as I have probably said many times throughout this thread...

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Come on do you really want to compare Bernardini and Lawyer Ron.

Did I say anything that wasn't true?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Did I say anything that wasn't true?

That tired horse thing is a bunch of ****. If sweetnorthensaint was so "tired" as you say, how come he ran such a nice fig in the preakness?

How about BGC? Correct me if im wrong but the fig in the travers was close to his best.

Has Lawyer Ron beaten anything at all...even "tired" horses?

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Dude, he can only beat who is entered against him. His 1st race aside, he has defeated EVERY horse he has faced, easily. I'll ask again, you can't really be seriously comparing the two right? Because that might just be the most asinine thing I have heard on this board yet.

Bernardini is better, no doubt, but it's not out of the question to put Lawyer Ron in the Top 3yo's...

I am editing this, because I respect Kasept, I apologize to any it offended...