The Decades Most Under Appreciated Race

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Haskin's list wasn't terrible ... but I have no idea what he was thinking with Lookin at Lucky and Cloudy's Night.

Look at the trouble the winner had early on in the BC Juvie .. I realize LaL was a couple paths wider on the far turn ... but on that Pro-Ride it's almost an advantage to be wide on the far turn. It's certainly nothing like your typical dirt or turf track where you pay a price for going wide.

A wide closing running style is prefered if anything.

Wow, I thought your fellate the Pats post was retarded, but wow.

Vale of York's trouble was only in your mind. You can't possibly think if those two horses switched trips, VOY still wins.

Almost an advantage going wide?!

It's almost an advantage to lose by nose or a head!

It's almost an advantage to miss a game winning field goal!

It's almost an advantage to get a speeding ticket when you weren't speeding!!

Come to think of it, your post is so ridiculous, I'm thinking you are just baiting me into this response!

Almost, that is.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Wow, I thought your fellate the Pats post was retarded, but wow.

Vale of York's trouble was only in your mind. You can't possibly think if those two horses switched trips, VOY still wins.

Almost an advantage going wide?!

It's almost an advantage to lose by nose or a head!

It's almost an advantage to miss a game winning field goal!

It's almost an advantage to get a speeding ticket when you weren't speeding!!

Come to think of it, your post is so ridiculous, I'm thinking you are just baiting me into this response!

Almost, that is.

You're being a douche here because you know Vale Of York's win was huge for me bankroll wise - and you have this stupid belief that I'm year in and year the worlds luckiest bettor.

Look - this years BC Juvenile was certainly not a strong field.

Vale of York steadied sharply early and was rushed from the gates way more than you ever should be on that track.

Lookin At Lucky didn't have a straw in his path - but he was wide on the turns. Almost every single Breeders Cup winner in the last two years over that track won with a wide closing move.

If I was racing at Santa Anita going a two-turn route on pro-ride ... yes, I'd rather race wide with a closer than get rushed from the gate, steady sharply, and than drop inside.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You're being a douche here because you know Vale Of York's win was huge for me bankroll wise - and you have this stupid belief that I'm year in and year the worlds luckiest bettor.

Look - this years BC Juvenile was certainly not a strong field.

Vale of York steadied sharply early and was rushed from the gates way more than you ever should be on that track.

Lookin At Lucky didn't have a straw in his path - but he was wide on the turns. Almost every single Breeders Cup winner in the last two years over that track won with a wide closing move.

If I was racing at Santa Anita going a two-turn route on pro-ride ... yes, I'd rather race wide with a closer than get rushed from the gate, steady sharply, and than drop inside.

I would love for you to link me to a head on view of the first 1/4 mile, cause from where I keep seeing it, your horse had very little trouble at all. It's like calling a sneeze brain cancer.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I would love for you to link me to a head on view of the first 1/4 mile, cause from where I keep seeing it, your horse had very little trouble at all. It's like calling a sneeze brain cancer.

This is what the chart says "steadied sharply first, rail move, angled out stretch"

I was extremely pissed that he was rushed from the gate and steadied like that - I basically gave up on him after that because horses simply don't often win races that way on that gimmicky surface.

They do win with wide closing moves at a MUCH higher rate than they do on dirt or turf.

I don't know what is more lame - that you so passionately think LaL has one of the top 5 losing performances of the decade in Breeders Cup and Triple Crown races ... or that someone who frequently asks for my thoughts on track trends in regard to running style - is now having a hissy fit because he seems to think Pro-Ride is the same as dirt and turf.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

This is what the chart says "steadied sharply first, rail move, angled out stretch"

Yeah, and we all know how accurate them chart makers are. Have you even watched the replay yet? Last time we discussed this, you hadn't.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I was extremely pissed that he was rushed from the gate and steadied like that - I basically gave up on him after that because horses simply don't often win races that way on that gimmicky surface.

Yeah, you were pissed kinda like the Afleet Alex and Giacamo situations in the Kentucky Derby.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't know what is more lame - that you so passionately think LaL has one of the top 5 losing performances of the decade in Breeders Cup and Triple Crown races

Eh? When did I change my name to Steve?

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

... or that someone who frequently asks for my thoughts on track trends in regard to running style - is now having a hissy fit because he seems to think Pro-Ride is the same as dirt and turf.

True, I have asked you for your thoughts on track trends, but:

1. Where is my hissy fit exactly?
2. You are making quite a leap in thinking that because I believe LaL lost the juvie because he had a less favorable trip than VOY I somehow have forgotten the differences between dirt and ProRide.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I've watched the replay several times. You can't see anything too much on the ESPN feed because they show all of these crazy cuts and weird camera shots.

It was easier to see him gun out of the gate like an idiot and than check sharply on the normal replay. That's no trouble on dirt - slight trouble on turf - and big trouble in a syn route.

I can't believe I'm wasting any time talking about something as stupid as this.

A closer was wide in a pro-ride route at Santa Anita ... the horror. Sup' the vast majority of BC winners on that surface the last two years.

I think speed might do a little better in routes on that track if the jockeys kept their horses five paths off the rail instead of crossing over. The ground loss seems near meaningless as outside paths are often preferred and the horse might relax better so far away from the rail.

This might be the single dumbest thing I've ever argued on a message board.

I guess you were dazzled by his awesome 83 Beyer win when he saved ground at Hollywood - over a synthetic track where racing inside seems far more advatageous.

Afleet Alex ran WAY better than Giacomo did in the Derby. I don't think anyone stated that more clearly than me after the race.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I've watched the replay several times. You can't see anything too much on the ESPN feed because they show all of these crazy cuts and weird camera shots.

Sigh.

Maybe the reason you can't see anything too much is because he didn't steady sharply, you dimwit! Try going to CR to watch the race.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It was easier to see him gun out of the gate like an idiot and than check sharply on the normal replay.

Gosh, do you think it was easier to see that because he actually did send him for a few jumps? As opposed to not steadying sharply at all????????

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I can't believe I'm wasting any time talking about something as stupid as this.

I hear ya dude.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

A closer was wide in a pro-ride route at Santa Anita ... the horror. Sup' the vast majority of BC winners on that surface the last two years.

So, those four or five lengths LaL clearly dropped off of VOY on the first turn don't seem to mean anything?

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think speed might do a little better in routes on that track if the jockeys kept their horses five paths off the rail instead of crossing over. The ground loss seems near meaningless and the horse might relax better so far away from the rail.

I'm pretty confident had LaL gotten away with being able to run 1:13 for 3/4, the result of the race would have been different. This from a horse that seems to prefer being up close to the lead.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

This might be the single dumbest thing I've ever argued on a message board.

Clearly. It is.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I guess you were dazzled by his awesome 83 Beyer win when he saved ground at Hollywood - over a synthetic track where racing inside seems far more advatageous.

Now you are quoting BSFs for synthetics to back your opinion?

You are right, this is the dumbest thing you've ever argued.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Afleet Alex ran WAY better than Giacomo did in the Derby. I don't think anyone stated that more clearly than me after the race.

No kidding Captain Obvious. What I was trying to impart was your sense of panic and unease at that 'horrible' trip Giacamo was getting in the early stages of the race. Similar to how you panicked with VOY over absolutely nothing, while the other horse was getting it in the ass.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

A closer was wide in a pro-ride route at Santa Anita ... the horror. Sup' the vast majority of BC winners on that surface the last two years.

I think speed might do a little better in routes on that track if the jockeys kept their horses five paths off the rail instead of crossing over. The ground loss seems near meaningless as outside paths are often preferred and the horse might relax better so far away from the rail.

This might be the single dumbest thing I've ever argued on a message board.

I forgot a few days ago to post this, and since I'm bored....

Do mean races like this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECQ1JXvFQUs

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You're being a douche here because you know Vale Of York's win was huge for me bankroll wise - and you have this stupid belief that I'm year in and year the worlds luckiest bettor.

Look - this years BC Juvenile was certainly not a strong field.

Vale of York steadied sharply early and was rushed from the gates way more than you ever should be on that track.

Lookin At Lucky didn't have a straw in his path - but he was wide on the turns. Almost every single Breeders Cup winner in the last two years over that track won with a wide closing move.

If I was racing at Santa Anita going a two-turn route on pro-ride ... yes, I'd rather race wide with a closer than get rushed from the gate, steady sharply, and than drop inside.

i had him also so your smart drugsy.vale is a pretty good horse