Thoro-Graph year-end free data promo & Q/A thread

[keithting]

These numbers don't seem to correlate from race to race though. One number goes higher from Race 1 to 2 while the other is lower.

It seems like there is much more variability in the Thoro-graph figure as compared to the Ragozin number from race to race.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

huh?

TG numbers tend to be tighter than Ragozin numbers. They are FAR more prone to splitting variants and cutting races loose.

[keithting]

I've only started looking at the Thoro-Graphs vs Ragozins so I'm basing what I see on a limited number of races. I don't want to spread any falsehoods!!!

Thanks for the insight......

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by keithting

I've only started looking at the Thoro-Graphs vs Ragozins so I'm basing what I see on a limited number of races. I don't want to spread any falsehoods!!!

Thanks for the insight......

I'm not saying one is better than the other.

Like Steve just said - they both use the same adjustments for weight, the same adjustments for ground loss, I would assume the same data for wind corrections .. the difference between the two is in the days race track variant.

Ragozin is far less likely to split variants or cut races loose.

I don't prefer either method.

On a very tough day to make numbers - I might write down in my trip notes something like "Tough day for figure making. this figure might be as high as a 79 .. could be as low as 71." On an easy day I'll put "Easy day for making figs. cut and dry figure of 62 for winner"

The commerical figure makers have to come up with one number - because they're selling ... and you don't see any indicators of how easy or tough a day it was to make numbers.

Speed figures are an amazing tool for comparing horses from circuit-to-circuit and comparing horses from different time periods.

However, they're a sometimes very overrated betting tool - unless you have great strength in all other areas of handicapping and good analytical skills... they won't help you win by themselves.

[keithting]

I am analytical and like using numbers, but it seems to me that Thoro-Graph and Ragozin are better for telling what a horse's capability is on a given day.

I'm more comfortable just using Beyers numbers and recent workouts to determine what a horse is likely to run on that day.

I guess I just need more experience using these other handicapping tools.

Thanks again.....