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Old 12-19-2009, 07:38 AM
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Did I hear correctly? Lee said the Phils told him to not believe the rumors. Then, 24 hours later, Reuben called him, and told him he was traded?
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Old 12-19-2009, 05:01 PM
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As mentioned, the Polanco for Feliz swap at third is an offensively upgrade only. Feliz was a friggn wall at the hot corner last year, I can't imagine Placido making those plays at the same %...What it does do though, is it puts a runner on base more often which generates even more runs, sometimes disguising the hole(s) at the back end of the rotation.


As for the Halladay/Lee move, it was a matter of timing. Personally, I think Amaro jumped the gun a bit here. I would've waited, chanced it and let Lee increase/decrease his value during this upcoming year. Amaro tried to sweep it all under the rug in one big fell swoop. There's no way they could spin it to the fans if they were leading the division mid-season and traded Lee for minor league prospects, only to get beat in the postseason by a team that shells the roto. The brass pulled the Lee trade out at the only time that it could be semi-justified, the day they land a top 2 arm in the league like Halladay. It would be tough for them to showcase a lineup of Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Happ, Hole, only to dismantle it around the deadline. They didnt want us fans to think that it was possible to have such a potent team.

Whether it was cheap, or to 'restock the farm', I'm not a huge advocate of the deal. Not at this present moment. It was a slight move upwards, but the hole at the end remains. I wouldn't count on the bullpen too much next year. I guess they are attempting to generate more runs to dim the glare-ski.
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Old 12-19-2009, 05:28 PM
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Some excellent points, Cannon



They could've come up with a way to keep this guy (Lee) and had a dream rotation going into the season, but they cheaped out … which is why they'll probably never beat NY or Boston in the Series…
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Old 12-19-2009, 06:12 PM
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I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt to the team who's last 3 years are: 2007, division champion...2008 World Series Champion...2009 National League Champion.

Their resume the last 3 years exceeds both Boston and the Yankees. They've each won one, and the Phillies are the only of the 3 to have been to 2.
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Old 12-19-2009, 06:15 PM
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I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt to the team who's last 3 years are: 2007, division champion...2008 World Series Champion...2009 National League Champion.

Their resume the last 3 years exceeds both Boston and the Yankees. They've each won one, and the Phillies are the only of the 3 to have been to 2.
They all even. No one cares or remembers who went to the World Series and lost.
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Old 12-19-2009, 07:20 PM
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They all even. No one cares or remembers who went to the World Series and lost.
That's simply not true. Are you seriously telling me any general baseball fan has no clue or inkling who lost the 1975 World Series?? Really?? Or who lost the 1986 World Series?? Really?? The losers of those Series' are as much of baseball lore as the winners. You need to go watch James Earl Jones' speech in Field of Dreams again. (without a loser, noone wins.)
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Old 12-19-2009, 08:17 PM
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How bout the last 50 or 60 years, horseofcourse?

How does the Phils record match up with NY over that time period?



ROOKIE call by Amaro


NY would've found a way...
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Old 12-19-2009, 10:20 PM
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That's simply not true. Are you seriously telling me any general baseball fan has no clue or inkling who lost the 1975 World Series?? Really?? Or who lost the 1986 World Series?? Really?? The losers of those Series' are as much of baseball lore as the winners. You need to go watch James Earl Jones' speech in Field of Dreams again. (without a loser, noone wins.)
Yeah it's easy bringing up maybe 2 out of the top 3 World Series ever. Bottom line is, nobody cares who comes in second.
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Old 12-19-2009, 08:48 PM
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Some excellent points, Cannon



They could've come up with a way to keep this guy (Lee) and had a dream rotation going into the season, but they cheaped out … which is why they'll probably never beat NY or Boston in the Series…
It pains me to agree with a USC sicko but you very well may be right.
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