John Shirreffs

[RockHardTen1985]

Its on this website somewhere, I think I was PG at the time, but I did bet Tiago in the Santa Anita Derby...
I remember liking him almost by default I thought the group was HORRIBLE. Also thought he could improve. Beyer wise he had improved every career race going in.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I don't know how anyone could have bet Tiago in the SA Derby... I agree it was a bad field ... but he never did anything to suggest he was any good beforehand.

[cakes44]

I remember having him in his debut. He absolutely looked like a million bucks on the turn, then folded up like a cheap suit. Damn.

[10 pnt move up]

Man, who knew Shirreffs was such a good trainer at getting them ready for the big race...thanks for letting us know!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

You didn't.

In fact, you argued that Zenyatta deserves extra credit points because she's trained by an ordinary trainer like Shirreffs while RA is trained by a wizard like Asmussen.

I'd take Shirreffs in every single aspect over Asmussen as a trainer. Even ability to move horses up coming from a different barn.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You didn't.

In fact, you argued that Zenyatta deserves extra credit points because she's trained by an ordinary trainer like Shirreffs while RA is trained by a wizard like Asmussen.

I'd take Shirreffs in every single aspect over Asmussen as a trainer. Even ability to move horses up coming from a different barn.

I was making a joke about Asmussen and his often forays into the issues with drugs...you knew that though.

I do think its odd that a guy like Asmussen could have the horse of the year for three years in a row, and in the back of your head you wonder how much he may have "moved" the horses up, but both had talent so its his reputation that begs that question.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I do think its odd that a guy like Asmussen could have the horse of the year for three years in a row, and in the back of your head you wonder how much he may have "moved" the horses up, but both had talent so its his reputation that begs that question.

Couldn't the same be said about Shirreffs with Life Is Sweet and After Market.

He moved both of them up considerably off of Bill Mott.

I'm not so sure RA and Curlin were really move-ups either.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't know how anyone could have bet Tiago in the SA Derby... I agree it was a bad field ... but he never did anything to suggest he was any good beforehand.

I actually had him... for the reasons you stated. I trust Sherriffs in a big spot and the group was terrible, and he was 30-1. One of those "why not" moments.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by philcski

I actually had him... for the reasons you stated. I trust Sherriffs in a big spot and the group was terrible, and he was 30-1. One of those "why not" moments.

It's a good thing you didn't run into me that day ... I might have given you 300/1. I thought he'd improve a little .. but he was just so terrible in those 3 races.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't know how anyone could have bet Tiago in the SA Derby... I agree it was a bad field ... but he never did anything to suggest he was any good beforehand.

Drugs, This is the stuff that LEGENDS are made of.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11676

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Drugs, This is the stuff that LEGENDS are made of.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11676

Nice.

I have no idea what in the hell you, Phil, and Hockey saw in Tiago .. but every one of his races seemed terrible to me.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Nice.

I have no idea what in the hell you, Phil, and Hockey saw in Tiago .. but every one of his races seemed terrible to me.

It was over 2 years now, but I remember thinking this horse should love 9 furlongs and I only have to beat these 2 Pletcher SLOBS.