Summer Bird to Japan Cup Dirt

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pba1817

That is 9 starts in 8 months, including 6 G1's and a G2...

That is a career for most horses...

a refreshing change for sure from what we've seen in years' past.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Danzig

a refreshing change for sure from what we've seen in years' past.

You wont be saying that if come spring time and he is up the track in a few starts...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pba1817

You wont be saying that if come spring time and he is up the track in a few starts...

you strike when the iron is hot. if summer bird seems to have a race in him, they ought to go for it because there's no guarantee what next year will bring. i'd expect summer bird to be the forefront for handicap horses, but who knows?
hey, i got grief when i said nick zito was messing up keeping his three top two year old colts in the barn a few years back, rather than attempt the juvie. he said he wanted to save them for spring. i was told i didn't know as much as him.
none of his colts made the derby that spring.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you strike when the iron is hot. if summer bird seems to have a race in him, they ought to go for it because there's no guarantee what next year will bring. i'd expect summer bird to be the forefront for handicap horses, but who knows?
hey, i got grief when i said nick zito was messing up keeping his three top two year old colts in the barn a few years back, rather than attempt the juvie. he said he wanted to save them for spring. i was told i didn't know as much as him.
none of his colts made the derby that spring.

Just out of curiosity, has any American runner ever ran good in the Japan Cup Dirt?? AND has any of the runners who ever went come back home to be the same horse?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Just out of curiosity, has any American runner ever ran good in the Japan Cup Dirt?? AND has any of the runners who ever went come back home to be the same horse?

Doug O'Neil won the race with Fleetstreet Dancer in 2004.

[pba1817]

That horse sucked..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Just out of curiosity, has any American runner ever ran good in the Japan Cup Dirt?? AND has any of the runners who ever went come back home to be the same horse?

the 'can he be the same' argument about shipping is overblown. euros ship over here for our races and return none the worse for wear-some like ouija board and high chaparral twice, but when one of ours leaves the country it's suddenly an issue. and some return better-lava man went over and ran like crap, and came back and won just like before the trip.

[pba1817]

It isn't an overblown issue if it is a horse YOU own or train... then its a big problem.

Over the years, the Euro's have obviously traveled much better than anyone else has...

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by pba1817

It isn't an overblown issue if it is a horse YOU own or train... then its a big problem.

Over the years, the Euro's have obviously traveled much better than anyone else has...

Don't they just do more of it? Between the countries which are obviously much closer, or even just within their own countries. The segment during the BC about how Americans do it versus at least Britain, I can't remember if it was all Europe or not. They have the hills and the traveling from the trainer's place to the track and then back. Just that process I would think gets them used to it even if it's not several hours on a plane plus getting to act more like a horse during training, less hot house perhaps. That's the impression I got. Surely some of it's mental strain of a temperamental animal that doesn't do us any favors.