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Old 11-09-2009, 10:19 AM
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Why can't everyone just appreciate both horses?
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:25 AM
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Not as taxing as beating Bullsbay, D'tara, Flashing and Malibu Prayer
Winners of the Whitney (G1), Test (G1), and Chilukki (G2)? Doesn't really bolster your argument.

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Old 11-09-2009, 10:28 AM
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Just wanted to thank Sightseek for taking the time to gather all these links and post them.

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RACHEL:
Martha Washington
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBxJvzktxrw

Fair Grounds Oaks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlY6N...eature=related ("with a win of quality and class" - brilliant call!)

Fantasy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQuHFpHMyM8

Kentucky Oaks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRGvb...eature=related

Preakness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRbF1...eature=related

Mother Goose
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TJTn...eature=related

Haskell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS1EG...eature=related

Woodward
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrTMp...eature=related

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ZENYATTA:

Milady
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ff9G2fv8c

Vanity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTeV9Wb2OWo

Clement Hirsch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTcTi...eature=related

Ladies Secret
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb68fbcFp30

Classic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHtAlmq7tK8
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:31 AM
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Winners of the Whitney (G1), Test (G1), and Chilukki (G2)? Doesn't really bolster your argument.

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Careful there. I love Rachel. I'm just throwing back those 89 beyer numbers that her opponents got in their other wins back at everyone that has dissed Zenyatta for being too slow.

See?

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Old 11-09-2009, 10:33 AM
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Careful there. I love Rachel. I'm just throwing back those 89 beyer numbers that her opponents got in their other wins back at everyone that has dissed Zenyatta for being too slow.

See?
I will say this, your pictures are amazing.

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Old 11-09-2009, 10:33 AM
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Why can't everyone just appreciate both horses?
I'd like to and I was very happy for Zen when she won the Classic but the nonsense that spews out of some peoples mouths kind of taints it for me a little bit. 4 cake walks that were less then impressive and 1 big win on her home turf against non-proven horses on the surface doesn't anoint her a god like some people would make her out to be.
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:37 AM
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I do chuckle at Calvin's Kendall Jackson pants every time.
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:39 AM
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I'd like to and I was very happy for Zen when she won the Classic but the nonsense that spews out of some peoples mouths kind of taints it for me a little bit. 4 cake walks that were less then impressive and 1 big win on her home turf against non-proven horses on the surface doesn't anoint her a god like some people would make her out to be.
By the way, the photo above is Rachel actually winning one of her "cake walks"
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By the way, the photo above is Rachel actually winning one of her "cake walks"
Oh is that the one were she one by 20? Show the pic of Zen struggling to win by a nose against filly 40k claimers.
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:56 AM
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Oh is that the one were she one by 20? Show the pic of Zen struggling to win by a nose against filly 40k claimers.
You mean the race where she spotted them 10+ lengths with 3/8's to run off a 48.4 half and closed in 22.1 with her last 8th in 11 flat?

And you're right. Malibu Prayer was very impressive winning the Chilukki.
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Oh is that the one were she one by 20? Show the pic of Zen struggling to win by a nose against filly 40k claimers.
come on, you're embarrassing yourself now.. they're both great horses.
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come on, you're embarrassing yourself now.. they're both great horses.
I agree 100%. We are very lucky to have view two of the finest ever to grace the track.

Here's one more of Rachel.....

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Old 11-09-2009, 12:38 PM
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I agree 100%. We are very lucky to have view two of the finest ever to grace the track.

Here's one more of Rachel.....
that's awesome.. good stuff.
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:44 PM
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That last picture is sensational, Rev. She's gorgeous.
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come on, you're embarrassing yourself now.. they're both great horses.
Ex-claimer Furthest Land takes Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile, Mike Maker ...
Nov 7, 2009 ... Furthest Land, who could not win under a $35000 claiming tag at Belmont Park ... owner Ken Ramsey's former claimer Furthest Land proved to be the big dog in ... The win was the first in a Breeders' Cup race for Ramsey, ...
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ory?id=4632755

Great? She may be the best horse on synthetics but here is just another reason why we cannot take running on rubber and wax seriously. Is Futhest Land a great horse now? Is he the best miler in the country? Is he a champion?
You see what that stuff does to average to below average horses? Its a joke.
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Great? She may be the best horse on synthetics but here is just another reason why we cannot take running on rubber and wax seriously. Is Futhest Land a great horse now? Is he the best miler in the country? Is he a champion?
You see what that stuff does to average to below average horses? Its a joke.
Can't you pretty much say the same thing about the turf? There is a long list of horses that weren't much on dirt but excelled on turf. Should we do away with turf racing also?

Did anyone contend that Furthest Land was anything but a perfect trip winner of a mediocre race over a surface that he apparently likes?
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Can't you pretty much say the same thing about the turf? There is a long list of horses that weren't much on dirt but excelled on turf. Should we do away with turf racing also?

Did anyone contend that Furthest Land was anything but a perfect trip winner of a mediocre race over a surface that he apparently likes?
No you cannot say that about the turf, because they dont run the BC DIRT mile on the turf and they dont run the BC Classic on the turf. Turf is Turf they don't try and pass it off as dirt like they do synthetics.
This is a horrible attempt to justify why a horse that couldn't win in 35 claimers in NY just went to the BC run on wax and smoked proven G1 winners on the Dirt.
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The dirt horses actually fared best - by far - in the "Dirt" Mile than they did in any other of the supposed dirt races on Saturday.
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No you cannot say that about the turf, because they dont run the BC DIRT mile on the turf and they dont run the BC Classic on the turf. Turf is Turf they don't try and pass it off as dirt like they do synthetics.
This is a horrible attempt to justify why a horse that couldn't win in 35 claimers in NY just went to the BC run on wax and smoked proven G1 winners on the Dirt.
You seem very angry. It's a shame.

BTW, the Breeder's Cup Dirt Mile hasn't been run on dirt or at a mile since its inception.
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:01 PM
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You seem very angry. It's a shame.

BTW, the Breeder's Cup Dirt Mile hasn't been run on dirt or at a mile since its inception.
It has actually been run on dirt once...sloppy dirt but dirt nonetheless. It has also been run at a mile for the last two years.

I'm already looking forward to the one-turn mile that it's supposed to be next year at CD.

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