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Old 11-04-2009, 04:29 PM
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Ventura did lose a race to one of her top competitors in this race didn't she?
Yes, but she is also the most likely winner of the race she is entered in.
Zenyatta strikes me as about a 10/1 - 15/1 shot here. I doubt if she hits the board.
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:31 PM
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Yes, but she is also the most likely winner of the race she is entered in.
Zenyatta strikes me as about a 10/1 - 15/1 shot here. I doubt if she hits the board.
That's the great thing about racing. I think Zenyatta has no trouble here and if I were betting, anything over 2/1, I'd be thrilled with. We'll find out this weekend.
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:34 PM
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That's the great thing about racing. I think Zenyatta has no trouble here and if I were betting, anything over 2/1, I'd be thrilled with. We'll find out this weekend.
I think you'll get every bit of 2/1 and then some. Maybe 7/2. You should be mixing some jump shot practice in with your handicapping. Dont let something that rare go.
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:38 PM
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I think you'll get every bit of 2/1 and then some. Maybe 7/2. You should be mixing some jump shot practice in with your handicapping. Dont let something that rare go.
It won't matter if she's 3/5 or 35/1. I've vowed to never bet another dime on a synthetic track race again. I just don't see her losing and I only see one other horse that can possibly win and he's 50/50 to not like the track and has these foot issues.

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Old 11-04-2009, 04:48 PM
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I only see one other horse that can possibly win.
You really think Summer Bird, Gio Ponti, Einstein, Quality Road, and Twice Over have zero chance? Combined?
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:02 PM
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You really think Summer Bird, Gio Ponti, Einstein, Quality Road, and Twice Over have zero chance? Combined?
I just wish I could bet on Field vs Zenyatta + "Rip". Despite my horses having zero chance, I'd be happy to take even money. Thrilled, in fact.

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Old 11-04-2009, 05:05 PM
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You really think Summer Bird, Gio Ponti, Einstein, Quality Road, and Twice Over have zero chance? Combined?
Summer Bird, Einstein, Quality Road, and Twice Over....no. Gio Ponti a slight, slight chance but I think it would take Zenyatta not running her race and Rip not liking the track. If either/both of those things happen, Gio Ponti has no shot either.
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:20 PM
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Do you have the same conviction about Zenyatta now as you had about Stardom Bound and the Kentucky Derby this spring?
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:25 PM
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Summer Bird, Einstein, Quality Road, and Twice Over....no. Gio Ponti a slight, slight chance but I think it would take Zenyatta not running her race and Rip not liking the track. If either/both of those things happen, Gio Ponti has no shot either.
Why does Rip have such a better chance than QR? Neither have been on this surface, and both are very talented animals. QR has never run a bad race. I am not an expert on Euros but QR's figures are every bit as good if not better than what Rip has run.

Missing how one has such a better chance than the other.

This is a new race, its not last year.
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:42 PM
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Summer Bird, Einstein, Quality Road, and Twice Over....no. Gio Ponti a slight, slight chance but I think it would take Zenyatta not running her race and Rip not liking the track. If either/both of those things happen, Gio Ponti has no shot either.
How do you give Twice Over zero chance?
I am not even remotely close to being an expert when it comes to evaluating euro races, but doesn't his last race seem to indicate that he might have at least an outside shot here? Do you really know enough about him to say that he doesn't even have a chance?
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