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Old 10-31-2009, 09:27 AM
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Z runs with the boys for only one reason.

Ducking Careless Jewel. A loss against the females stains her record, a loss against the boys mean nothing.

I want her to go in the Distaff, to fill in the second half of the exacta
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Old 10-31-2009, 10:05 AM
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I want her to go in the Distaff, to fill in the second half of the exacta
That would be lucrative.
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Old 10-31-2009, 10:18 AM
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Z runs with the boys for only one reason.

Ducking Careless Jewel. A loss against the females stains her record, a loss against the boys mean nothing.

I want her to go in the Distaff, to fill in the second half of the exacta
You can have all the Careless Jewel you want on that track
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Old 11-01-2009, 08:06 AM
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You can have all the Careless Jewel you want on that track
Although I love Careless Jewel I have to agree with you vis a vis the pro ride. I would be all over her if it were dirt.
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Old 11-01-2009, 09:38 AM
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Although I love Careless Jewel I have to agree with you vis a vis the pro ride. I would be all over her if it were dirt.
Careless Jewel is heaven sent for Life Is Sweet.

If you're in the camp that is of the believe that Zenyatta's been made to look extremely ordinary in her last two races because of slow paces ... what does that say for Life Is Sweet - who was the only horse in the race even more disadvantaged than Zenyatta in both instances?

Life Is Sweet is very likely who I will be betting in the Distaff.
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Old 11-01-2009, 10:13 AM
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Careless Jewel is heaven sent for Life Is Sweet.

If you're in the camp that is of the believe that Zenyatta's been made to look extremely ordinary in her last two races because of slow paces ... what does that say for Life Is Sweet - who was the only horse in the race even more disadvantaged than Zenyatta in both instances?

Life Is Sweet is very likely who I will be betting in the Distaff.

Shes ok...
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Old 11-01-2009, 10:36 AM
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Careless Jewel is heaven sent for Life Is Sweet.

If you're in the camp that is of the believe that Zenyatta's been made to look extremely ordinary in her last two races because of slow paces ... what does that say for Life Is Sweet - who was the only horse in the race even more disadvantaged than Zenyatta in both instances?

Life Is Sweet is very likely who I will be betting in the Distaff.

Life is Sweet is Jeff Siegal's sleeper bet of the Distaff for all the reasons you just mentioned, she will be completely forgotten and will be a big price.
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Old 11-01-2009, 12:00 PM
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Careless Jewel is heaven sent for Life Is Sweet.

If you're in the camp that is of the believe that Zenyatta's been made to look extremely ordinary in her last two races because of slow paces ... what does that say for Life Is Sweet - who was the only horse in the race even more disadvantaged than Zenyatta in both instances?

Life Is Sweet is very likely who I will be betting in the Distaff.
stop taking my angles, I made those arguments in her last couple of races and got laughed off the board....that being said it does look to me like the long campaign may have taken something out of her.
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Old 11-01-2009, 01:01 PM
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Only one prediction to make at this point. Zenyatta wins whichever race she runs in and it's going to be easier than the final margin suggests.
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Old 11-01-2009, 01:08 PM
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Only one prediction to make at this point. Zenyatta wins whichever race she runs in and it's going to be easier than the final margin suggests.
I agree.
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Old 11-01-2009, 03:47 PM
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Only one prediction to make at this point. Zenyatta wins whichever race she runs in and it's going to be easier than the final margin suggests.
King:
Are you basing this prediction off of Zenyatta's figures, and if so which ones are you using? Or are you more of a visual/trip based handicapper and see Zenyatta as the kind of horse that hasnt ever been full out and has plenty left in the tank each time?

I dont get the strong conviction that this horse will win the Classic. I dont see how any of her other efforts scream out that she is a horse that will beat this talented group in an "easy" sort of effort. I'm not a huge fan of hers nor am I a basher, but to me, she looks like an extremey good horse who has been facing very mediocre to weak competition, and never running a bad race which is very unusual in this game.

But in my opinion, this field is enormously talented. You have some good horses (Zenyatta, Richards Kid, Colonel John) who excel on this surface, and you have some really good horses (Summer Bird and Quality Road) who are in very good form and whose abilities may just cancel out the poly advantage. Then you have talented horses that seemingly never run bad races and can run over any surface (Einstein and Gio Ponti). Finally you have the euro wildcard like Rip Van Winkle, who probably will be overbet because of last year's result, but still figures dangerous. Toss in two closers who on their best days can make things very interesting if their is a pace collapse (Mine that Bird and Awesome Gem).

If Zenyatta wins, it will be the 2nd best story of the year behind Rachel's entire campaign, but it will also be a much better field than any of the ones Rachel beat by a mile.

I wont be as bold to say she cant win, but I dont really see it and her odds will make her an automatic throwout for me anyways.

Exactly what are you seeing about her to make this kind of prediction?
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Old 10-31-2009, 12:00 PM
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Z runs with the boys for only one reason.

Ducking Careless Jewel. A loss against the females stains her record, a loss against the boys mean nothing.

I want her to go in the Distaff, to fill in the second half of the exacta

This is the DUMBEST **** I HAVE EVER READ ON HERE. Music Note is CLEARLY THE HORSE TO BEAT. Zenyatta ducking Careless Jewel is so far from the truth, shes going to be the morning line favorite in the Classic, and has a huge chance to win.
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:14 PM
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Suddenly I feel like Music Note has no shot and Careless Jewel is the lock of the entire BC.

I should probably look over the pps though.
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Old 10-31-2009, 02:52 PM
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Suddenly I feel like Music Note has no shot and Careless Jewel is the lock of the entire BC.

I should probably look over the pps though.
I have been looking at them for 2 days now, Music Note is in career form, her 3rd place run last year was better then even the connections expected and they are expecting a much better run this year.
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Old 10-31-2009, 03:01 PM
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I have been looking at them for 2 days now, Music Note is in career form, her 3rd place run last year was better then even the connections expected and they are expecting a much better run this year.
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Old 10-31-2009, 03:08 PM
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Everyone looks at how easy Zenyatta runs and thinks there's more....

That's what they said about Bernardini, and he got run down in the Classic. Sometimes there isn't more and they are already running as fast as they could.
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Old 10-31-2009, 03:50 PM
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Everyone looks at how easy Zenyatta runs and thinks there's more....

That's what they said about Bernardini, and he got run down in the Classic. Sometimes there isn't more and they are already running as fast as they could.
That's especially true when a horse's ears come forward. Sure sign of a horse giving all it has.
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Old 10-31-2009, 04:02 PM
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Add 2 or 3 lengths to Life Is Sweet in the Hollywood Gold Cup. That's about as good as Zenyatta is. There are a couple who will be better than that in the Classic.
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