The Green Monkey

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by CSC

And Alydar was beaten by Affirmed also, but was generally a more successful sire.

Generally,,,,,,,,,. Alydar was far better at stud than Affirmed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Generally,,,,,,,,,. Alydar was far better at stud than Affirmed.

Interestingly enough none of the top colts sired by Alydar turned out to be good stallions. Alysheba, Criminal Type, Easy Goer, Turkoman, Strike the Gold...

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Interestingly enough none of the top colts sired by Alydar turned out to be good stallions. Alysheba, Criminal Type, Easy Goer, Turkoman, Strike the Gold...

Did any of his top fillies turn out to be good stallions?

What's odd is that his best son (in terms of being a good stallion) stands in California. Benchmark.

He had another son in California that was a decent sire too. Kleven.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Did any of his top fillies turn out to be good stallions?

What's odd is that his best son (in terms of being a good stallion) stands in California. Benchmark.

He had another son in California that was a decent sire too. Kleven.

I'm sure that someone has a theory to why this happens but it is one of the reasons why breeding is so difficult.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm sure that someone has a theory to why this happens but it is one of the reasons why breeding is so difficult.

Perhaps those two sons of Alydar fared well in California because of the preponderance of speed in the breeding out there.

Just a guess.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Did any of his top fillies turn out to be good stallions?

What's odd is that his best son (in terms of being a good stallion) stands in California. Benchmark.

He had another son in California that was a decent sire too. Kleven.

How does any filly turn out to be a stallion???... Is Chaz Bono's doctor also a vet?

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

How does any filly turn out to be a stallion???... Is Chaz Bono's doctor also a vet?

It's a "politically correct" thing. Just go with it.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Interestingly enough none of the top colts sired by Alydar turned out to be good stallions. Alysheba, Criminal Type, Easy Goer, Turkoman, Strike the Gold...

Easy Goer had what 2 or 3 crops like 120 foals from which 17 made over 100k 65% started and won and had My Flag, Wills Way, Furlough etc.. hardily a bust

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Easy Goer had what 2 or 3 crops like 120 foals from which 17 made over 100k 65% started and won and had My Flag Furlough etc.. hardily a bust

The odds were that Easy Goer was going to be a bust. The vast majority were too damn sore to train on. Considering the book of mares he got he didnt produce much. When I was with Jerkens we had one of his better fillies, Smooth Charmer. She was a three times in ice a day cripple but had a lot of heart.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The odds were that Easy Goer was going to be a bust. The vast majority were too damn sore to train on. Considering the book of mares he got he didnt produce much. When I was with Jerkens we had one of his better fillies, Smooth Charmer. She was a three times in ice a day cripple but had a lot of heart.

Bc Juvy, Ballerina, Travers and Jim dandy in 120 foals of which the Japanese took about 20.. Smooth Charmer is Phipps stock or was anyway.. Can't speak to the soundness of them but there was a very high percentage of starters and winners

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Bc Juvy, Ballerina, Travers and Jim dandy in 120 foals of which the Japanese took about 20.. Smooth Charmer is Phipps stock or was anyway.. Can't speak to the soundness of them but there was a very high percentage of starters and winners

Sc was Stonerside.

People have been tricked into thinking Birdstone is a good sire.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Sc was Stonerside.

People have been tricked into thinking Birdstone is a good sire.

Her dam is a half to Rythm and Not for Love. The dam is a Phipps cull.. Smooth Charmer is 100% phipps other then the fact that Stonerside bought her..