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Old 10-28-2009, 09:50 AM
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Seeking the Gold was nosed by Forty Niner in both the Haskell and the Travers. In fact the photos of the two races are nearly identical.
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Old 10-28-2009, 10:29 AM
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Seeking the Gold was nosed by Forty Niner in both the Haskell and the Travers. In fact the photos of the two races are nearly identical.
And Alydar was beaten by Affirmed also, but was generally a more successful sire.
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Old 10-28-2009, 10:40 AM
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And Alydar was beaten by Affirmed also, but was generally a more successful sire.

Seeking the Gold was a dam good horse with a wonderful pedigree.
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Old 10-28-2009, 11:05 PM
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Seeking the Gold was a dam good horse with a wonderful pedigree.
Why is STG even mentioned in this thread?
In the money 14 of 15 races. Earned 2.3 million in purses 20 years ago. Equivalent to about 4M today( excluding BC and Dubai purses).

Owner: Ogden Phipps
Breeder: Ogden Phipps
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 15 Starts: 8 - 6 - 0, $2,307,000

At 3: Won Super Derby G1, Dwyer Stakes G1, Peter Pan Stakes G2, Swale Stakes.

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Old 10-29-2009, 07:39 AM
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And Alydar was beaten by Affirmed also, but was generally a more successful sire.
Generally,,,,,,,,,. Alydar was far better at stud than Affirmed.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:01 PM
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Generally,,,,,,,,,. Alydar was far better at stud than Affirmed.
Interestingly enough none of the top colts sired by Alydar turned out to be good stallions. Alysheba, Criminal Type, Easy Goer, Turkoman, Strike the Gold...
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:05 PM
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Interestingly enough none of the top colts sired by Alydar turned out to be good stallions. Alysheba, Criminal Type, Easy Goer, Turkoman, Strike the Gold...
Did any of his top fillies turn out to be good stallions?

What's odd is that his best son (in terms of being a good stallion) stands in California. Benchmark.

He had another son in California that was a decent sire too. Kleven.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:08 PM
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Did any of his top fillies turn out to be good stallions?

What's odd is that his best son (in terms of being a good stallion) stands in California. Benchmark.

He had another son in California that was a decent sire too. Kleven.
I'm sure that someone has a theory to why this happens but it is one of the reasons why breeding is so difficult.
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:51 PM
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I'm sure that someone has a theory to why this happens but it is one of the reasons why breeding is so difficult.
Perhaps those two sons of Alydar fared well in California because of the preponderance of speed in the breeding out there.

Just a guess.
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Did any of his top fillies turn out to be good stallions?

What's odd is that his best son (in terms of being a good stallion) stands in California. Benchmark.

He had another son in California that was a decent sire too. Kleven.
How does any filly turn out to be a stallion???... Is Chaz Bono's doctor also a vet?
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Old 11-01-2009, 08:38 AM
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How does any filly turn out to be a stallion???... Is Chaz Bono's doctor also a vet?

It's a "politically correct" thing. Just go with it.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:07 PM
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Interestingly enough none of the top colts sired by Alydar turned out to be good stallions. Alysheba, Criminal Type, Easy Goer, Turkoman, Strike the Gold...

Easy Goer had what 2 or 3 crops like 120 foals from which 17 made over 100k 65% started and won and had My Flag, Wills Way, Furlough etc.. hardily a bust
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:14 PM
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Easy Goer had what 2 or 3 crops like 120 foals from which 17 made over 100k 65% started and won and had My Flag Furlough etc.. hardily a bust
The odds were that Easy Goer was going to be a bust. The vast majority were too damn sore to train on. Considering the book of mares he got he didnt produce much. When I was with Jerkens we had one of his better fillies, Smooth Charmer. She was a three times in ice a day cripple but had a lot of heart.
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:24 PM
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The odds were that Easy Goer was going to be a bust. The vast majority were too damn sore to train on. Considering the book of mares he got he didnt produce much. When I was with Jerkens we had one of his better fillies, Smooth Charmer. She was a three times in ice a day cripple but had a lot of heart.
Bc Juvy, Ballerina, Travers and Jim dandy in 120 foals of which the Japanese took about 20.. Smooth Charmer is Phipps stock or was anyway.. Can't speak to the soundness of them but there was a very high percentage of starters and winners
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