Should there be a separate synthetic awards?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Because, outside of Keeneland, they will be gone from major racing soon enough.

I disagree. They aren't going anywhere and will multiply.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I disagree. They aren't going anywhere and will multiply.

No way Jose.

With what has happened in California I cant see any track investing in what is already proven to be as much work as dirt.

Why do you think Hollywood park plays so close to dirt? Do you think they have been replacing the the worn out cushion track with new syntheic?

My guess is they been speading dirt little by little.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

No way Jose.

With what has happened in California I cant see any track investing in what is already proven to be as much work as dirt.

Why do you think Hollywood park plays so close to dirt? Do you think they have been replacing the the worn out cushion track with new syntheic?

My guess is they been speading dirt little by little.

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The owners in socal are really upset, why should they buy expensive yearlings to run on this stuff if its only going to hurt their long term chances at having stallions?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

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The owners in socal are really upset, why should they buy expensive yearlings to run on this stuff if its only going to hurt their long term chances at having stallions?

Like Pioneer of the Nile? Maybe 2% of the horses bought have a legit chance at being a stallion. Wont there be stallions that sire synthetic horses? Wouldnt that actually give an owner a greater chance at developing a stallion prospect?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Like Pioneer of the Nile? Maybe 2% of the horses bought have a legit chance at being a stallion. Wont there be stallions that sire synthetic horses? Wouldnt that actually give an owner a greater chance at developing a stallion prospect?

You are making a joke with POTN right? Do you know how much more money he would have been worth with a win in the SA Derby, Hol Futurity, and second in the Derby had it been on dirt for all the races.

A horse like Zensational is losing money because of the stuff, he would be worth more if he had that same record on dirt. Dont think the owners do not recognize this at the high levels of racing out there.

[ateamstupid]

Yes.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

You are making a joke with POTN right? Do you know how much more money he would have been worth with a win in the SA Derby, Hol Futurity, and second in the Derby had it been on dirt for all the races.

A horse like Zensational is losing money because of the stuff, he would be worth more if he had that same record on dirt. Dont think the owners do not recognize this at the high levels of racing out there.

Am I making a joke ? Let me ask you this. Is $4 million dollars a joke? That is what his owners got for 1/2 of him as a stallion. In a terrible market for stallions. If those races were run on dirt what do you think he would have brought? An $8 million dollar value for a horse with his record is damn good. Though I think Vinery is nuts for giving them that.

A horse like Zensational if he wins the BC will be worth plenty. It isnt as though you would be breeding to Zensational thinking of Triple Crown horse.

[cmorioles]

If you believe synthetics will be around at the top levels of the game in 10 years, I guess there may be some value for "synthetic stallions". However, SoCal will go back to dirt sooner or later, and Keeneland and Woodbine will be the only tracks that matter running on the stuff, and Woodbine doesn't matter much in the US anyway. The other runs about a month a year.

[eajinabi]

If there were synthetic awards who would get it?

Zenyatta amd Pioneer of the Nile for sure.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

If you believe synthetics will be around at the top levels of the game in 10 years, I guess there may be some value for "synthetic stallions". However, SoCal will go back to dirt sooner or later, and Keeneland and Woodbine will be the only tracks that matter running on the stuff, and Woodbine doesn't matter much in the US anyway. The other runs about a month a year.

Del Mar isnt going to change. Hollywood isnt going to change and probably wont be around. who knows what will become of SA but the current management isnt going to change. The possibility of a new track in Southern California having a dirt track is highly probable. But Turfway, Arlington, Woodbine, Keeneland, Golden Gate, Presque Isle and Sheikh Mo Downs arent changing. I realize that some of those arent major tracks but outside of SA and Hollywood that is all the tracks with synthetics.

[cmorioles]

Delmar could very well change if the horsemen there have anything to do with it.