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Old 10-16-2009, 11:24 AM
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Not even mentioning Arazi had surgery just before his three year old season is a bit disingenuous. He was never the same horse after.
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:38 AM
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Not even mentioning Arazi had surgery just before his three year old season is a bit disingenuous. He was never the same horse after.
Badge of Silver fractured a leg after his maiden win - and I didn't mention that. I think he fractured another one later on as well.

Still didn't stop him from running 3rd in the BC Mile off of an 11 month layoff... and yet .. he's a failure.
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:46 AM
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When injury and stupidity on the part of ownership stops you from being as good as you can be, as in the case of Arazi, I don't think you belong on the list. Other than that, I think the list is good. There are other worthy candidates but the ones you listed are good ones. It always amazes me how some people don't understand the term "relative". The Lakers could win 75 games this year and if they don't win the title, the season would be considered a failure. The Knicks can win 40 games and not make the playoffs and the season could be considered a success.

Drugs, what do you think about horses like Dinard and Event of the Year?
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:53 AM
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When injury and stupidity on the part of ownership stops you from being as good as you can be, as in the case of Arazi, I don't think you belong on the list. Other than that, I think the list is good. There are other worthy candidates but the ones you listed are good ones. It always amazes me how some people don't understand the term "relative". The Lakers could win 75 games this year and if they don't win the title, the season would be considered a failure. The Knicks can win 40 games and not make the playoffs and the season could be considered a success.

Drugs, what do you think about horses like Dinard and Event of the Year?
Dinard was a very talented horse, a bit scrawny and undersized but he could run.
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Event of the Year was outstanding through his first four starts ... but an injury basically wiped him out for a long time. He was a very good horse for most of his starts when he came back though.

So, even if you want to say EofY was on the path to greatness ... I don't think he did anything to hurt his repute when he came back. An excellent 2nd ahead of Silver Charm in the Big Cap is not shabby.

Dinard was '91, that was a little before we started getting Southern Cal races on cable TV everyday.
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It always amazes me how some people don't understand the term "relative". The Lakers could win 75 games this year and if they don't win the title, the season would be considered a failure. The Knicks can win 40 games and not make the playoffs and the season could be considered a success.

Yep.

And this is not a "most overhyped" list. I think it would take me weeks instead of minutes to think up a most overhyped list with all the overhyped horses I've witnessed.

These 5 are horses that really seemed to have something special ability wise - and just badly fell off the path to greatness.
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Unbridled's Song for the sire he became and for his race in the BC Juvenile would be one that is near the top of my list.
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UBS was certainly a great talent ... though I thought his Florida Derby win was WAY better than his BC Juvie win.

He actually ran the highest figure of his career - in his final career start ... anyone remember who his trainer was for that race?
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UBS was certainly a great talent ... though I thought his Florida Derby win was WAY better than his BC Juvie win.

He actually ran the highest figure of his career - in his final career start ... anyone remember who his trainer was for that race?
Richie Suttle?
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I think First Samurai should be on this list.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:40 PM
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I think First Samurai should be on this list.
Really?

Are you taunting Byk on his post about banning you?
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Really?

Are you taunting Byk on his post about banning you?

If I recall correctly... He broke his maiden in a 12 horse group, came to Saratoga and crushed an allowance group... Jerry rode him that day then took a helicopter to Monmouth to win the Haskell aboard Roman Ruler. He thought highly enough of him! Then he crushed Henny Hughes in the Hopeful. So IMO he had a lot going for him after those first 3 races then never panned out.
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If I recall correctly... He broke his maiden in a 12 horse group, came to Saratoga and crushed an allowance group... Jerry rode him that day then took a helicopter to Monmouth to win the Haskell aboard Roman Ruler. He thought highly enough of him! Then he crushed Henny Hughes in the Hopeful. So IMO he had a lot going for him after those first 3 races then never panned out.
"Never panned out..." Hmmm. There's a precise evaluation. Do you know anything about his three year old year?
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"Never panned out..." Hmmm. There's a precise evaluation. Do you know anything about his three year old year?


Did I say the correct horse? Im talking about Frank Brothers.... He got beat in the Gulfstream race, his 3yr old debut, Keyed Entry beat him. Then he got put up by DQ, Corinthian shifted in bad on him in another Gulfstream race, then he ran like **** at Keeneland, that was the day Sinister Minister freaked.
If he was hurt or something no I did not know, but he was one of my favorites.
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Old 10-17-2009, 02:18 PM
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If he was hurt or something no I did not know, but he was one of my favorites.

Oh. Now we at least understand what happened to him.
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Did I say the correct horse? Im talking about Frank Brothers.... He got beat in the Gulfstream race, his 3yr old debut, Keyed Entry beat him. Then he got put up by DQ, Corinthian shifted in bad on him in another Gulfstream race, then he ran like **** at Keeneland, that was the day Sinister Minister freaked.
If he was hurt or something no I did not know, but he was one of my favorites.
In his three year old debut, he dueled with Keyed Entry in the Hutcheson over a sea of slop and was beaten a length as they both broke the 7.5f track record, the winner lowering it to 1:27.0. In retrospect, Brothers agrees that he probably should have scratched that day. First Samurai was a big heavy horse that was tough to keep sound, and he pounded down to the hard Gulfstream base that day with every step.

Much like Read the Footnotes and Second of June after their epic Fountain of Youth 2 years earlier, First Samurai and Keyed Entry were both never the same after that Hutcheson... Samurai came back in the Fountain of Youth a month later and was put up as the winner after Corinthean's mauling of him. Then in the Blue Grass, he was hit by the gate which broke 2 of his ribs.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...th-broken-ribs

He was retired about 6 weeks later having won 5 of 8 career starts including the Fountain, Hopeful and Champagne, the 2nd in the Hutch and the 3rd behind Stevie Wonderboy/Henny Hughes in the BC Juvenile.
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