Breeders Cup Turf winners 1999-2008

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Originally Posted by brockguy

Go on then, tell me how impressive Johar was for the rest of his career? No need, he wasnt. You can come up with all the ifs and buts in the world, but I cant see how you can put him any higher.

On the other hand, High Chaparral won the Derby, The Irish Derby, another Breeders Cup, an Irish Champion Stakes and on his bad days, he came 3rd in 2 Arcs.. He also won a G1 as a 2 year old..

You seem stuck on superficial form. Of course, most on total accomplishment, surpass Johar. But whereas time may mean little in Europe, certainly NA handicappers glancing at the 1:46 flat for the Oak Tree Derby, the record setting 1:57 4/5 for the San Marcos, or the 2:24+ in the BC Turf have to admit he was a serious racehorse, probably more so than Red Rocks and Better Talk Now at the very least.