Sea the Stars - How good?

[TropicalStorm]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm going to assume this is a joke. Sincere apologies if you are serious but the mention of Hold Me Back is what makes me unsure.

Based on today's race it looks like you were rigth about Hold Me Back. I will be sticking with the other Giant's Causeway Colonel John, but I can't see him beating any of the Europeans. Maybe a Quality Road or a Summer Bird but I doubt it. I could see the Europeans running 1-2 again.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by CrossfireHurricane

Based on today's race it looks like you were rigth about Hold Me Back. I will be sticking with the other Giant's Causeway Colonel John, but I can't see him beating any of the Europeans. Maybe a Quality Road or a Summer Bird but I doubt it. I could see the Europeans running 1-2 again.

Please DONT EVER INSULT GIANTS CAUSEWAY LIKE THIS. Colonel John is a Tiznow.... Tiznow is a good sire, but no GIANT.

Giants Causeway has a nice derby horse, Belmont Race 5 today.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Please DONT EVER INSULT GIANTS CAUSEWAY LIKE THIS. Colonel John is a Tiznow.... Tiznow is a good sire, but no GIANT.

Giants Causeway has a nice derby horse, Belmont Race 5 today.

Giant's Causeway would be in Japan or maybe Ireland right now if it weren't for synthetic surfaces.

Of course, by the same token, Tiznow would probably be in California.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Giant's Causeway would be in Japan or maybe Ireland right now if it weren't for synthetic surfaces.

Of course, by the same token, Tiznow would probably be in California.

Thats not true... He has had solid turf runners and a few decent dirt horses. Red Giant comes to mind... First Samurai.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Thats not true... He has had solid turf runners and a few decent dirt horses. Red Giant comes to mind... First Samurai.

Don't forget Frost Giant.

He is a solid turf sire, but that alone doesn't tend to be popular in the US.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Don't forget Frost Giant.

He is a solid turf sire, but that alone doesn't tend to be popular in the US.

Hold Me Back did run a 105 on dirt... I know he bombed today.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Hold Me Back did run a 105 on dirt... I know he bombed today.

Ok, but the Travers prior to the running was considered a let-down of a race. Then it was run over an off track. Lastly, despite the Beyer, Hold Me Back was never seriously threatened the winner and was defeated by open lengths.

Really, flash in the pan First Samurai was his best dirt horse to date (and that was from his first crop right?).

[TropicalStorm]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Please DONT EVER INSULT GIANTS CAUSEWAY LIKE THIS. Colonel John is a Tiznow.... Tiznow is a good sire, but no GIANT.

Giants Causeway has a nice derby horse, Belmont Race 5 today.

My mistake. I meant to say Winstar, like I did earlier in the thread. They are both Winstar owned but they are not both Giants Causeways.