Past the Point to Woodward

[Revidere]

As we discuss the race that may or may not ever happen I can't help but think back to Bernadini and Invasor as they approached the Breeder's Cup Classic. Sleek, quick Bernadini thrashing all who came his way with style and flair. Then you had Invasor, scratching out of the Gold Cup as many thought out of fear, only beating Sun King, SUN KING!!! by a nose in the Whitney. There was no way Invasor had a shot to beat Bernadini based on those efforts.

We know what happened don't we? That's why they run the race.

Going back even further, how many Alydar apologists are still out there thinking that off his Flaming, Florida Derby and Blue Grass he was going to chew Affirmed up and spit him out in the Derby. In fact people ridiculed Affirmed's path to the crown and the fact that he was "all out" to win the San Felipe and Hollywood Derby. Judas Priest!! Pincay hit him 8 times in the Santa Anita Derby.

How did that work out? That's why they run the race.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Revidere

As we discuss the race that may or may not ever happen I can't help but think back to Bernadini and Invasor as they approached the Breeder's Cup Classic. Sleek, quick Bernadini thrashing all who came his way with style and flair. Then you had Invasor, scratching out of the Gold Cup as many thought out of fear, only beating Sun King, SUN KING!!! by a nose in the Whitney. There was no way Invasor had a shot to beat Bernadini based on those efforts.
We know what happened don't we? That's why they run the race.

Going back even further, how many Alydar apologists are still out there thinking that off his Flaming, Florida Derby and Blue Grass he was going to chew Affirmed up and spit him out in the Derby. In fact people ridiculed Affirmed's path to the crown and the fact that he was "all out" to win the San Felipe and Hollywood Derby. Judas Priest!! Pincay hit him 8 times in the Santa Anita Derby.

How did that work out? That's why they run the race.

Hm.

I thought Bernardini had no shot of beating Invasor and think that Zenyatta would have no shot of beating Rachel Alexandra.

I know. Confuses the logic. Rachel Alexandra is not Bernardini...ie, she's not a false star, but the real thing.

EDIT: Actually to be factually correct, I didn't say Bernardini had "no shot" of beating Invasor, and before the Classic, implied that he could just be a freak. I also noted that he turned into a pig the only time he got looked in the eye...which he, as we all remember, did again in the Classic. Rachel does not have that same question to answer.

[Gander]

Wow, a pig? I thought Bernardini ran a really good race in the Classic. One can argue that the premature move by Castellano didnt help his chances either. I wish every horse I bet on was that much of a pig.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Hm.

I thought Bernardini had no shot of beating Invasor and think that Zenyatta would have no shot of beating Rachel Alexandra.

I know. Confuses the logic. Rachel Alexandra is not Bernardini...ie, she's not a false star, but the real thing.

EDIT: Actually to be factually correct, I didn't say Bernardini had "no shot" of beating Invasor, and before the Classic, implied that he could just be a freak. I also noted that he turned into a pig the only time he got looked in the eye...which he, as we all remember, did again in the Classic. Rachel does not have that same question to answer.

Bernandini was an extremely fast colt. He was far from a fraud.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Bernandini was an extremely fast colt. He was far from a fraud.

He was racing at the time you were off your meds....at least I hope that is your excuse.

[Sightseek]

I don't get the Bernardini bashing?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I don't get the Bernardini bashing?

I don't get comparing Bernardini to Rachel Alexandra -- when he had blown away short fields without ever getting looked in the eye (then folded when he finally did) and she's eyeballed horses, pressed sick paces and held off a Derby winning closer after doing so.

There is a point to make about her not being unbeatable when compared to Zenyatta, but comparing her to Bernardini to do so is not the way to do it, IMO.

[Smooth Operator]

Lol ... "a known rabble-rouser", eh



By the way, NTamm1215 ... wasn't just talking about the Woodward ... but any open G1 (or G2) dirt route.


Believe I read that a Lukas filly took the Clark nine or ten years ago.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Hm.

I thought Bernardini had no shot of beating Invasor and think that Zenyatta would have no shot of beating Rachel Alexandra.

Thats why Bernadini was 6-5 and Invasor was almost 7-1.

I know. Confuses the logic. Rachel Alexandra is not Bernardini...ie, she's not a false star, but the real thing.

Not confusing any logic. The public spoke. 11 mill in the WPS pool. The 2006Breeder's Cup was supposed to be Bernadini's coronation. Hell, Invasor wasn't even second choice.

EDIT: Actually to be factually correct, I didn't say Bernardini had "no shot" of beating Invasor, and before the Classic, implied that he could just be a freak. I also noted that he turned into a pig the only time he got looked in the eye...which he, as we all remember, did again in the Classic. Rachel does not have that same question to answer.

I wasn't singling you out. I was using that race and the 1978 Triple Crown to show that sometimes it's not figures or being visually impressive. Wow, must have struck a nerve.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Revidere

As we discuss the race that may or may not ever happen I can't help but think back to Bernadini and Invasor as they approached the Breeder's Cup Classic. Sleek, quick Bernadini thrashing all who came his way with style and flair. Then you had Invasor, scratching out of the Gold Cup as many thought out of fear, only beating Sun King, SUN KING!!! by a nose in the Whitney. There was no way Invasor had a shot to beat Bernadini based on those efforts.

We know what happened don't we? That's why they run the race.

Going back even further, how many Alydar apologists are still out there thinking that off his Flaming, Florida Derby and Blue Grass he was going to chew Affirmed up and spit him out in the Derby. In fact people ridiculed Affirmed's path to the crown and the fact that he was "all out" to win the San Felipe and Hollywood Derby. Judas Priest!! Pincay hit him 8 times in the Santa Anita Derby.

How did that work out? That's why they run the race.

Sun King was a tough MFER.. I thought Sun King a a helluva lot better then most.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Sun King was a tough MFER.. I thought Sun King a a helluva lot better then most.

Agreed. He lost some tough races that year including the Met Mile. My point was Invasor was less stylish than Bernadini, yet when they came into the stretch at Churchill, Invasor ran right by him.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Revidere

As we discuss the race that may or may not ever happen I can't help but think back to Bernadini and Invasor as they approached the Breeder's Cup Classic. Sleek, quick Bernadini thrashing all who came his way with style and flair. Then you had Invasor, scratching out of the Gold Cup as many thought out of fear, only beating Sun King, SUN KING!!! by a nose in the Whitney. There was no way Invasor had a shot to beat Bernadini based on those efforts.

We know what happened don't we? That's why they run the race.

Going back even further, how many Alydar apologists are still out there thinking that off his Flaming, Florida Derby and Blue Grass he was going to chew Affirmed up and spit him out in the Derby. In fact people ridiculed Affirmed's path to the crown and the fact that he was "all out" to win the San Felipe and Hollywood Derby. Judas Priest!! Pincay hit him 8 times in the Santa Anita Derby.

How did that work out? That's why they run the race.

Throw SS in there for good measure, Revidere


Lots of EG yahoos dissed that great Cali champion too...